You mean the same law firm that the former ALPA President gave unyielding praise to?

Carl

 

I see. DPA has hired Seham to represent DPA. But Seham is actually working for management?

I look forward to your evidence of that.

Carl

 

It is my opinion that DPA served a valuable purpose and has already produced results.

While I did not send in a card for DPA, I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of an inhouse union. This is not because I think an inhouse would necessarily be stronger initially, but because ALPA national is such an unmitigated failure for the Delta pilots in so many ways...I dont think this is the time to rehash those failures, they've been covered at length here and in other threads.

DPA IMO has been succesful because DALPA is now more responsive and communication is greatly improved. I credit DPA (partially) with council 20s FPL initiative and the LECs chairs stance on outsourcing. I also think there have been improvements and harder lines taken at other LECs.

Look at the makeup of ALPA and the populations of pilots at the other airlines. If DPA had succeeded, there would have been a huge sucking sound at ALPA as 12500 pilots exited.

I also think if DPA had started organizing after recieving more and better guidance from CAPA, the card drive would have been more successful. I am sure there are many pilots, like me, whodid not send inthe card, but who also recognize the fatal flaws within ALPA.

 

scambo, fine, if we spot them all of those achievements, will they go away now, and start the healing process? The sooner our group is unified, the more effective we can become in achieving what every one of us wants.

Continuing a drive when it is obvious to all it will fail is very counter-productive. Take up the discussions immediately after C2012 is signed, if desired, but the efforts should be called off now.

 

I completely agree with you that we have to be unified. I think DPA as an entity is done...all over but the crying. However, after C2012 I think there will be a resurgence of an inhouse.

The timing is just wrong right now.

 

If I deride your attempt at an inhouse union it's because it is such an incredibly lame attempt at union building. It appears that DPA attracts the do nothing crowd, all talk, no action, but none of that is surprising to me.

 

You're entitled to your opinion.

Now we are left to be represented by ALPA. The ALPA that tried to bust their own union...and failed. The ALPA whose lawyers (the same "experts" that we use) aided the union bust attempt...and failed. The ALPA who has suffered yet another embarrassing loss in court. But not to worry, our dues will payout the lawsuit.

I can see why you're so excited Reroute.

Carl

 

Carl forfeits.

ALPA bashing is on every other thread. This one is for you proving DPA is better.

Can you?

 

Says who? It's stronger than ever, and with ALPA's latest move of due collecting our bonuses and losing againt their own in court DPA is growing faster than ever. There is no due date, and there is no bad timing to replace ALPA.

Yes ! But common sense is needed, not all of us are equiped with that unfortunately.

 

How is this the "latest move"? Have you taken even 5 minutes to look at the Constitution & By-Laws of the Association you belong to? This is NOT, I repeat NOT a "latest move" or anything remotely close to "taking" from you.

I'll save you a little bit of work, direct from the ALPA C&BL (bold mine):

Article IX - MEMBERSHIP FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS

SECTION 3 - ANNUAL DUES

C. (1) DUES RATE (ACTIVE AND EXECUTIVE ACTIVE MEMBERS). The dues rate for Active and Executive Active members shall be 1.95% of estimated airline income.

SECTION 4 - INCOME EXEMPT FROM DUES
The following income shall be exempt from dues, subject to verification and approval by the member's Local Executive Council:

C. Special bonus or merit award income, provided that a general bonus to all members of an airline shall not be exempt.


Pretty much cut and dried, this section of the C&BL has not changed in many years. Your complaint has no merit.