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02-21-2011 | 04:19 AM
#4441
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I know that what you say is true.. it is because of a 'union' that we have the pay and benefits we do have... I have never touted going union free... as I have said many times.. and I am STILL waiting for a laundry list of reasons why the "national" alpa is indispensable. I'll settle for 5 good reasons.
02-21-2011 | 06:14 AM
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No, the best way is for us to demand it back via collective bargaining. The regional pilots should raise their pay by collective bargaining paid for with their own dues...not the dues of Delta pilots.
Delta pilots represented by a union that is focused solely on Delta pilots. It's the ONLY way to go.
Not even you believe your own argument here.
Carl
Delta pilots represented by a union that is focused solely on Delta pilots. It's the ONLY way to go.
Not even you believe your own argument here.
Carl
You believe that the massive reconfiguration in the industry in the last 10 years is all ALPA's fault. It just shows you have no knowledge of the industry, no economic background, and no analytical capabilities. Therefore, you don't understand the problem and you have no clue as to what the solution is. But keep babbling on as if you do know, you have been spectacularly unsuccessful in all your predictions, why stop now?
02-21-2011 | 06:44 AM
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Typical Carl babbling.
That is exactly the argument you made in your previous post, go read it.
Of course I don't believe it. I believe in strength through unity. I don't believe an army fights best when they break up into independent, self-centered units, I believe an army fights best with unity of purpose, mass, and coordination.
You believe that the massive reconfiguration in the industry in the last 10 years is all ALPA's fault. It just shows you have no knowledge of the industry, no economic background, and no analytical capabilities. Therefore, you don't understand the problem and you have no clue as to what the solution is. But keep babbling on as if you do know, you have been spectacularly unsuccessful in all your predictions, why stop now?
That is exactly the argument you made in your previous post, go read it.
Of course I don't believe it. I believe in strength through unity. I don't believe an army fights best when they break up into independent, self-centered units, I believe an army fights best with unity of purpose, mass, and coordination.
You believe that the massive reconfiguration in the industry in the last 10 years is all ALPA's fault. It just shows you have no knowledge of the industry, no economic background, and no analytical capabilities. Therefore, you don't understand the problem and you have no clue as to what the solution is. But keep babbling on as if you do know, you have been spectacularly unsuccessful in all your predictions, why stop now?
Carl
02-22-2011 | 03:18 PM
#4444
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From: 767
Alfaromeo, Army Field Manual 1-1 discusses the Principles of Modern Warfare. They are:
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
02-22-2011 | 05:14 PM
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Alfaromeo, Army Field Manual 1-1 discusses the Principles of Modern Warfare. They are:
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
Highest paid cargo pilots...... = UPS with small independent union
Maybe you need to send them your Army Field Manual so they'll understand they need to join ALPA.
Carl
02-23-2011 | 04:28 AM
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Alfaromeo, Army Field Manual 1-1 discusses the Principles of Modern Warfare. They are:
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
Objective
Offensive
Economy of Force
Maneuver
Unity of Command
Mass
Security
Surprise
Simplicity
Choosing to ignore one of the principles does not mean failure or defeat, however choosing to ignore Economy of Force, Unity of Command, and Mass most certainly would not have people placing bets on your success. While the DPA success or failure is secondary, what we really want is success for the average Delta pilot. Why would we support an organization that chooses to organize in a manner so contradictory to principles rooted in several thousands of years conflict. Literally millions of people have died ignoring these principles. Does DPA think they can ignore them and escape unscathed?
02-23-2011 | 07:35 AM
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Did the fact one company is huge with a giant non airline revenue base to support it have a effect?
Did the fact the other company made 5 billion dollars in hedging fuel oil have a effect?
Did either company file bankruptcy?
Did either company have to procure exit financing while in chapter 11?
02-23-2011 | 07:59 AM
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And how did they get those rates? How did they compare to the industry when they achieved them?
Did the fact one company is huge with a giant non airline revenue base to support it have a effect?
Did the fact the other company made 5 billion dollars in hedging fuel oil have a effect?
Did either company file bankruptcy?
Did either company have to procure exit financing while in chapter 11?
Did the fact one company is huge with a giant non airline revenue base to support it have a effect?
Did the fact the other company made 5 billion dollars in hedging fuel oil have a effect?
Did either company file bankruptcy?
Did either company have to procure exit financing while in chapter 11?
02-23-2011 | 01:11 PM
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Carl
02-23-2011 | 01:19 PM
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It cracks me up to see the contortions required for you guys to continue your belief that small independent unions cannot succeed. True believers are very hard to persuade.
Carl
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