Examples please?

Carl

 

That's only half the story. This is the other half:

3. Prior to commencement of any bargaining for any ALPA pilot group within a mainline/express system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA's scope goals and guidelines. The committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply:

a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal to the airline, the applicable negotiating committee will report to the Scope Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA's scope goals and guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups within the system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee, which can recommend changes following consultations with the Negotiating Committees involved.

b. The applicable Negotiating Committees and ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system will develop in conjuction with the opening proposal agreed reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absesnce of consensual agreements concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.

4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy.

Carl

 

Did you see what else is happening at ALPA? Did you see that part about refusing to release where the flight pay loss money goes?

Carl

 

Here's a suggestion ace: Proofread before you hit "Submit Reply"

Unbelievable.

Carl

 

I'd be more concerned if I were management due to the unknowns with DPA and labor unrest that would hit the company's bottom line. The company is fully supportive of ALPA because it fears change. If it saw an opportunity to cash in due to a lack of unity, I'm sure it would remain hands off and favor neither union.

 

Here is the main reason the company is supportive of DALPA.



This is important:

DALPA and DAL have close relationship that contain rewards. Kind of like rewards that governments provide to other governments. All aid money is dispersed not to alleviate poverty, but to purchase loyalty and influence.

Think about that. Now we all know why FPL is such a third rail political issue. We can not succeed if we are not unifed or have effective leadership. We can not be unifed or led when there is question as to the loyalty and influence of our leadership.

I'd rather pay more dues money and cover FPL (with a monthly accounting) than have DAL in the equation. Think of the impact a change like this would have.



DALPA can not effectively represent pilots with the current arrangement they have with DAL in regards to covering FPL. Think about it. That is why it truly is difficult if you cover up the letter head to determine if the communication one is reading is from DAL or DALPA.

Remember all the talk of how many pilots would potentially be hired with the LGA swap and how we should write DC to support it? Was that the company promoting that idea? Or, perhaps Dalpa? Or was it both ?

Don't think for a second that DALPA was "blind sided" by the recent annoucement concerning the mix of DCI to mainline flights at LGA.

 

I thought it was a given that the new 121 FO mins would be considerably below a full 1500 hour ATP. So if what you say comes true, either the ATP mins themselves will be lowered or Eagle is simply chosing to enforce the 1500 hours and actual ATP as "company mins."

However at this point we may never know (via that pathway) as Eagle likely won't hire a whole lot if a lot of 37 and 50 seaters are parked and they don't get massive "scope relief" from the APA.

 

I thought so too given the fact that the congressional law had a mandate of a cutout. Most thought it would be at 800 hrs, but according to their VP they cannot hire people that will not meet that requirement in Aug 2013. I figured they would grandfather people in, and had my contact ask, and they said no.

I had not heard anything about this whole rule, so their VP's interpretation kind of surprised me. It is the only thing I have heard wrt to this.

 

Yeah, I need to get a phone that does not auto correct, and one that I can read a little better.

 

To carry on the discussion in the same theme. Their music may have stopped, but ACL, SWA seems to me to have more political clout that DALPA, ALPA and DAL. And while your logic SEEMS sound on the surface, RESULTS are what matter.

Why is SWA so succesful in DC?

Pizza?

Money?

A low handicap?

I dont know. In a previous life, I worked at the highest levels inter-governmentally. Relationships do take time to build in a general sense. They take no time to build if you have something to offer...AND, to be effective, you have to have something they (the politicians) want.