Why is fapa williing to give up so much?
06-15-2011, 08:37 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Revenue passengers were likely left behind for 2 reasons:
DH'ing is part of the normal operation of an airline. It is built into the schedule, or done out of necessity to position a crew. Either way, the company made a decision to DH the crew, and to bump revenue in the process.
There are costs to run an airline. One is to, on occasion, bump revenue for the needs of the operation of the airline. You are not helping the company by covering up the problem, only the individual passengers that would have been bumped. Management needs to identify and fix the problem in order to secure the long term future of the operation. Covering it up prevents them from doing so.
It is hard to see this when you're on the front lines, leaving your customers behind.
- the DH'ing crew complied with their contract with their employer
- their employer (your employer) poorly managed their staffing, scheduling, and/or reservations
DH'ing is part of the normal operation of an airline. It is built into the schedule, or done out of necessity to position a crew. Either way, the company made a decision to DH the crew, and to bump revenue in the process.
There are costs to run an airline. One is to, on occasion, bump revenue for the needs of the operation of the airline. You are not helping the company by covering up the problem, only the individual passengers that would have been bumped. Management needs to identify and fix the problem in order to secure the long term future of the operation. Covering it up prevents them from doing so.
It is hard to see this when you're on the front lines, leaving your customers behind.
06-15-2011, 09:39 PM
#102
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Position: A320 Captain
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
I agree. Don't subsidize management mistakes. Don't screw over your fellow pilots that need the J/S to commute.
Let it rest, both sides!!!!
RIP DHD/Jumpseat BS!
06-15-2011, 10:09 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by Bolo
Again for the hundredth time this is way over blown. Who is screwing other pilots? Are you at the gate witnessing this? Take your seat in the back and have a cup of Shut the F---k up!
Let it rest, both sides!!!!
RIP DHD/Jumpseat BS!
Let it rest, both sides!!!!
RIP DHD/Jumpseat BS!
06-16-2011, 09:39 AM
#104
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Position: A320 Captain
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Originally Posted by Wiscopilot
The issue is if a United, Delta, Express ect. jumpseater is trying to get on one of our holy F9 mainline flights you guys would bump them off the jumpseat while positive spaced. No one else does this but you.
Next barrage of BS?
06-16-2011, 11:51 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by Bolo
Next barrage of BS?
lets talk about you continuing to fall for BBs plan to destroy your pay. hes doing a great job in his newsletters massaging your egos...and all you have to do is go along with the plan and everyone will be happy. when you do, youll keep your jobs...for now anyway. soon there will be another reason to take...and all he has to do is pump out charming newsletters to get more.
hopefully there will be a day when you do say NO. hopefully youre strong enough to handle daddy BB being mad at you. no more love letters...no more family talk. youll be on his naughty list.
all RAH understands is the idea that all things being equal, lower pay=lower cost=larger profit margins. that is the only way they know how to do it.
Last edited by sticky; 06-16-2011 at 12:47 PM.
06-17-2011, 05:00 PM
#108
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I disagree with this. The customers are your revenue source. Now, sure, your airline (like my airline) has dropped the ball many times. But now that it has come down to this situation, I step up and just offer to the gate agent I can ride the J/S if the Captain is ok with it, and that both of us should see him/her. As a Captain, the only concern would be to make sure that no one is trying to hitch a ride home or get to work in the jumpseat. But other than that, I don't see why one would deny a DH a jumpseat so one additional revenue passenger can get on.
The last time I offered to ride the J/S, the gate agent thanked me personally, and printed me a mishandled meal-vocher for $10 bucks.
Summary:
1. One additional revenue passenger gets to where he wanted to go, and where he paid to go.
2. $400 dollar voucher saved for mainline.
3. On top of my regular DH pay, I got a meal voucher for $10. That's a free lunch or dinner.
The last time I offered to ride the J/S, the gate agent thanked me personally, and printed me a mishandled meal-vocher for $10 bucks.
Summary:
1. One additional revenue passenger gets to where he wanted to go, and where he paid to go.
2. $400 dollar voucher saved for mainline.
3. On top of my regular DH pay, I got a meal voucher for $10. That's a free lunch or dinner.
Mmmmmmm....frauuuuuud...... how exactly were you entitled to that meal voucher? Weren't you a non-rev and, therefore, inelligible? What happens if HR gets a hold of that information or when they see your name on that meal voucher ticket lift when it is sent in for reimbursement? wow!!
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