Which all goes to my point. I've NEVER seen a Frontier pilot do that. A couple of months back, I had a choice between losing pay by calling in fatigued, or bumping a passenger so I could sleep on the deadhead.

 

I think the issue you have is RAH crews refusing to sit in the jumpseat while positive spaced?
I know you guys do it but we are contractually required to have a passenger seat for crew movements. Generally this is the standard for most carriers. We consider the jumpseat a resource for commuting pilots not a company owned deadhead tool. Once we start giving that up we will never get it back.

 

That doesn't change the fact that the jumpseats were available, and 3 revenue passengers got left behind, and I have never seen that at Frontier. Thus my point about the operation being better if the E190's were on the Frontier certificate with Frontier crews. At the same time, I fully understand the deadheading crew not being willing to help out, given the treatment that they get on that side of the fence (no pun intended).

 

Faultpush...I read wrong in your wording there. Thanks for clearing it up.

Yes, we at republic see the jumpseat as a resource for commuters. I personally have agreed to sit in the jumpseat to get a revenue on with the condition that if a pilot showed up that I wanted my seat back. When a pilot showed up I was told that they would not change it back. That was the last time I did that. I always make a walk through the gate area to make sure that there are no jumpseaters and if I have a deadheader who has volunteered to help the company out by riding the jumpseat, I always ensure that they aren't leaving a jumpseater at home. To each their own, but this is a small industry and the favor has paid me back time and time again. In addition, I will always volunteer to sit up front to help a nonrev on. We have to take care of each other because Bedfords too worried about his basketball court to worry about us.

By the way, has anyone told you how many times that the words "good faith" has been used with us and how many times they have actually done that? Zero!

 

Totally lame in now bringing in the jumpseat. How about worrying about real things like making more than 37 hr for your FO's. Better work rules etc. And no we do not force ANY of your DHD pilots to jumpseat.

 

Bolo...Our contracts so ****ty we have to highlight the 3 or 4 good things... We admit to this and we also admit it needs to be a lot better. The process of getting this is the same whether you are IBt, Alpa, or FAPA. Our contract was written when we only had 50 seat 145s. It is pitiful but we had to give up a lot to get our scope clause. If not, we would have all been outsourced to the original "republic". If Bedford spent half the time figuring out how to run an airline as he does dreaming of ways to screw us and work groups against each other we would have run off and left southwest.

 

I probably worded my wording poorly.

I have asked though.

 

I will not take the jumpseat as a deadheader to get revenue on board. I've seen too many agents expect this. If I'm on company time, I am revenue.

 

WORD!
agree

 

Which is why DAL just gave shuttle more flying......