Why is fapa williing to give up so much?
06-11-2011 | 02:04 PM
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"Dude" are you implying that the IBT had control over Eischen?
06-11-2011 | 02:47 PM
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Before the F9 pilots vote for concessions I really hope they look at the Frontier costs vs Southwest, Airtran, and Jet Blue. F9 costs per seat mile excluding fuel is with in 0.2 Cents per seat mile of the other companies. Revenue per seat mile however is over 1 CENT per seat mile lower than both Jet Blue and Airtran and 2 cents lower than Southewest. The problem is not a cost issue. You dont see Jetblue taking a wage concession to make money. I am willing to bet every one at Southwest makes more than their counterparts at Frontier. Maybe management should figure out how to make revenue instead of bringing down your contract.
Great points, but this LOA is about protecting the careers at Frontier.
The Midwest pilots wouldn't play ball with BB and the Frontier pilots saw how that turned out.
Let the whip-sawing commence against IBT... GO FAPA.
06-11-2011 | 03:11 PM
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Seems to be a lot of self-righteous BS from the RJ guys to me. The RJ has SINGLE HANDEDLY eviscerated the Mainline Airline Pilot Profession. Nothing worse than seeing 4 digit flight numbers on the FIDS Screen. UAL is down 50% in 10 years, how about the ENTIRE RJ "profession" walking out to protest the Chinese Coolie Labor provision ya'll work under? Maybe a look in the mirror may be more evocative of who is the PROBLEM in the "profession"
. We created this monster called "commuter lift" and the small jet syndrome. Nobody else...we did it.
06-11-2011 | 03:44 PM
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LOA 67
But remember it says:
The company will make a "good faith" effort to reduce their ownership stake to a minority by December 2014. Right, "good faith" from BB? Sure.
FAPA does not want to be IBT and BB used this to play them.
When the door closes at F9 ...then the F9 boys will start demanding to be on the SLI. You heard it hear first.
But remember it says:
The company will make a "good faith" effort to reduce their ownership stake to a minority by December 2014. Right, "good faith" from BB? Sure.
FAPA does not want to be IBT and BB used this to play them.
When the door closes at F9 ...then the F9 boys will start demanding to be on the SLI. You heard it hear first.
I will come screaming over to the FFD side looking to make 37 an hour!
NOT!
06-11-2011 | 03:51 PM
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That is a clever comment. Let's compare a regional contract that was signed in 2003 when the largest aircraft on property was a 50 seat jet to an Airbus operation. You sir are a imbecile. I want you to keep your Airline. As far as I am concerned, you are a cyst on the operation that is known as RAH. The subsidizing of F9 needs to stop. I am done trying to play nice with the ignorant 5% that comes from the F9 seniority list. You 5 percenters need to get together and put all your 2 brains cells together and them come back to me when you are ready to make a stand to a management that has nothing but ill-will toward labor.
06-11-2011 | 03:54 PM
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You 5%'s at F9 are unreal.....walking around spouting off like you are the SEAL Team 6 of the airlines. Here's a newsflash oh God of the skies.......you don't make much more than any other major/LLC and the Airbus is NOT the Holy Grail. You are a failed airline grasping at straws with this little stunt.
To you guys/gals it is the holy grail. Please move on to greener pastures and leave RAH like you were going to do in the beginning before RAH purchased Frontier.
Good Luck!
06-11-2011 | 03:57 PM
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DC7C,
Don't see how the RJ guys are responsible. They never voted on our outsourcing ... we did.
Expecting a pilot to refuse a job won't work, never has. We formed a union so we could negotiate protections for our senior pilots longevity and seniority. In the last fifteen years we have voted for contracts which have undone much of our predecessor's effort.
As far as "self righteous BS" goes, the Republic guys have done an excellent job controlling their scope. They have one list which spans multiple certificates. A technique ALPA would do well to emulate, IMHO.
No disrespect intended. But, you and I hold the power to fix this problem more than the Republic of F9 pilots do.
Don't see how the RJ guys are responsible. They never voted on our outsourcing ... we did.
Expecting a pilot to refuse a job won't work, never has. We formed a union so we could negotiate protections for our senior pilots longevity and seniority. In the last fifteen years we have voted for contracts which have undone much of our predecessor's effort.
As far as "self righteous BS" goes, the Republic guys have done an excellent job controlling their scope. They have one list which spans multiple certificates. A technique ALPA would do well to emulate, IMHO.
No disrespect intended. But, you and I hold the power to fix this problem more than the Republic of F9 pilots do.
With a shotgun to your head. Lets see, if the IBT wins how they can enforce our contract better than we can.
Vote RPC!
06-11-2011 | 04:06 PM
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The RAH pilots have criticized the Midwest pilots on this very board for not fighting hard enough to save THEIR jobs, THEIR seats, and THEIR careers.
Please do not begrudge us Frontier pilots for trying to perserve OUR airline, OUR careers, OUR seats.
It's not personal. I just do not want to give you my seat, my quality of life, and my career in 7 years. SORRY.
You insist on forcing the IBT down our throats. A marriage is made from two WILLING partners, not what you RAH pilots are forcing on us.
06-11-2011 | 05:34 PM
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No no no no.....you see, THATS the problem......these few F9 clowns thinking their airline...their Airbus....is the Holy Grail. The Frontier Airbus is NOT the Holy Grail. The only folks looking to aspire to fly an Airbus at Frontier are current Frontier pilots and a few misguided RAH folks. Myopic stupidity will lead you to unemployment. Keep living in the F9 bubble. Its warm and feel-good
06-11-2011 | 05:41 PM
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No no no no.....you see, THATS the problem......these few F9 clowns thinking their airline...their Airbus....is the Holy Grail. The Frontier Airbus is NOT the Holy Grail. The only folks looking to aspire to fly an Airbus at Frontier are current Frontier pilots and a few misguided RAH folks. Myopic stupidity will lead you to unemployment. Keep living in the F9 bubble. Its warm and feel-good
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