When are the Major Airline Retirements ?
06-19-2011, 02:45 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by slowplay
While your point regarding pay is correct, you last line imo reflects poorly.
You weren't even 26 when you hired on here, and you came from a regional. There's a whole lot of people in the regional ranks with way more airline experience than you whose timing, support of a strike, or run-in with a rogue manager didn't allow them to get hired here. Your "varsity" comment in my view is contemptible.
Where's Bar to throw the "unity" word around?
You weren't even 26 when you hired on here, and you came from a regional. There's a whole lot of people in the regional ranks with way more airline experience than you whose timing, support of a strike, or run-in with a rogue manager didn't allow them to get hired here. Your "varsity" comment in my view is contemptible.
Where's Bar to throw the "unity" word around?
06-19-2011, 04:01 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by slowplay
You weren't even 26 when you hired on here, and you came from a regional. There's a whole lot of people in the regional ranks with way more airline experience than you whose timing, support of a strike, or run-in with a rogue manager didn't allow them to get hired here. Your "varsity" comment in my view is contemptible.
Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
+1. Well said. You beat me to it. I find it ironic former regionals are bashing other regional pilots now that they have made it to DAL for a few years. I am no longer flying for a regional, but I myself found such remark offensive.
Quite the arrogant/dick-ish thing to say out of someone who was oh so young, as well as oh so fortunate to be at the right place, right time, and have the kind of career progression they did. Without putting in anywhere near the equity/effort or deal with the setbacks that many others did to get to the same place. Humility can go a long way.
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06-19-2011, 04:17 PM
#33
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I was out of line with the last statement. I get up in arms when someone tries to justify staying at an outsourced company vs. making the move (there are some situations where it is justifiable to stay, but not many) Sorry guys. 
Time for the cone of shame.
Time for the cone of shame.
06-19-2011, 07:39 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by scambo1
My understanding is that your youngest FO is 40. IOW your pilots are older. Therefore, when the retirement wave hits, it keeps rolling for a long time. Not so anywhere else that I am aware of.
06-20-2011, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
...Take the regional inferiority complex elsewhere.... we're talking about the varsity side here.
With comments such as what you made, this old man's "varsity" doesn't need you. The "cone-of-shame" is small potatoes relative to a good dose of personal maturity.
06-20-2011, 05:20 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by lolwut
How bout US Airways? If one were to get hired today, when could they expect to upgrade?
Do they have any more interviews planned for those who haven't gotten called yet?
Do they have any more interviews planned for those who haven't gotten called yet?
Be very careful when chasing upgrade times if that is your biggest concern as to where to work. 25 years ago I had a friend who turned down American to go to Piedmont, because... "I'll be a 737 Captain in 3 Years!!" (He's still an F/O, 25 years later, at US Air)
Another friend who also turned down American back then, to go to People Express, also because he wanted the quick upgrade. He was nearly holding 727 Capt. when they were bought and stapled to the bottom of CAL's list, he quit and went to NWA, retired as a DC-9 Capt.
Another friend went to Eastern, for a quick upgrade...he sells boats today.
Another went to Pan Am for a quick upgrade, by 1992 he was selling real estate.
Another turned down Delta in 1986 to go to TWA...for a quick upgrade. Ended up flying flying full time in the Guard.
Two more friends both went to AA back then (one in 1984, the other in 1986) both are flying 767 ER Capt. today...and they still have their retirements. No ALPA carrier does.
When I was "Shopping" for my Airline Pilot job, I wanted to work at the most financially stable airline, so I wouldn't have to worry about looking for another job, long term. The "Rumor" of the day back then, (1985) was eventually there would be only 3 Majors; American, UAL and DAL. Being from New Hampshire, I had never even heard of South West...and they only fly 737's anyway, so who wants to fly for them, right? WRONG.
Now, 26 years later, I'm at DAL. I can say I might have done "Better" at AA or SWA, or if I had stayed on flying freight at night I might have been hired early on at UPS, or Fed EX. So, you can never be certain, but chasing upgrades is futile in this industry, as soon as you think you have it figured out, it will change!
If I were starting over today, I'd be looking at Emirates, with 90 A380's coming, well, somebody's got to fly them!
Last edited by Timbo; 06-20-2011 at 06:12 AM.
06-20-2011, 06:55 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
There are furloughees coming back under age 40. The chances for upgrade at AA are not good within a decade, and I'd expect all pilots over 60 to stay until 65. So far, that is what has been occuring.
Recent retirees had 25% over 60. Almost every month we have Age 60+ guys leaving. Small numbers but they're leaving.
The majority have left prior to Age 60 and the number staying to 65 is unknown but it's not 'all'.
06-20-2011, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Two more friends both went to AA back then (one in 1984, the other in 1986) both are flying 767 ER Capt. today...and they still have their retirements. No ALPA carrier does.
06-20-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
If I were starting over today, I'd be looking at Emirates, with 90 A380's coming, well, somebody's got to fly them!
06-20-2011, 07:42 AM
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Fishfreighter, I'm happy for you. Seriously, I am, I wish it were so for all of us. But there are only a few Legacy ALPA carriers who still have a (non-bankrupt) retirement plan.
My point is: In this line of work, the only thing constant is change. What looks like a Sure Thing today, might put you on the unemployment line by next year. You have to step back and take a good, long term, look around. In the next 25 years, I see a whole lot of growth in the 3rd. world, and who is going to fly there? A US Carrier, or Emirates?
My point is: In this line of work, the only thing constant is change. What looks like a Sure Thing today, might put you on the unemployment line by next year. You have to step back and take a good, long term, look around. In the next 25 years, I see a whole lot of growth in the 3rd. world, and who is going to fly there? A US Carrier, or Emirates?
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