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06-22-2011 | 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulva

This kills the C-Series for Republic. Your boy BB "played" Bombardier against Airbus and got what he wanted as far as price and financing guarantees.

Is there no penalty for canceling the orders of the C-Series?

06-22-2011 | 07:25 AM

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Is there no penalty for canceling the orders of the C-Series?

Depends on the contract, which I doubt any of us have seen.

06-22-2011 | 07:28 AM

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Depends on the contract, which I doubt any of us have seen.

Ture, seems like there has to be something in there protecting the manufacturer from going ahead with the manufacture of a new aircraft and having the buyer back out.

06-22-2011 | 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH

Is there no penalty for canceling the orders of the C-Series?

You'd have to know what the details are in the deal with Bombardier. I imagine that the fact the Bombardier had almost ZERO leverage at the time since NO ONE seemed interested in the C-Series, combined with Republic's premeditated "devious" plan to play them against Airbus, would ensure that BB didn't sign up for anything too painful. Do you think he was that dumb? It is probably a minor issue in his world and a cost of doing business. Wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened in the industry.

BTW...already seems to have ruffled a feather or 2 with Bombardier and their shareholders.

Bombardier stock off as customer turns to Airbus | Reuters

And they obviously were a bit concerned a few months ago:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...h-cseries.html

Since 40 of the NEO's are of the A319 variety, that blows a big hole is Mr. Scott's argument.

C-Series at Republic is DONE!

06-22-2011 | 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulva

You'd have to know what the details are in the deal with Bombardier. I imagine that the fact the Bombardier had almost ZERO leverage at the time since NO ONE seemed interested in the C-Series, combined with Republic's premeditated "devious" plan to play them against Airbus, would ensure that BB didn't sign up for anything too painful. Do you think he was that dumb? It is probably a minor issue in his world and a cost of doing business. Wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened in the industry.

BTW...already seems to have ruffled a feather or 2 with Bombardier and their shareholders.

Bombardier stock off as customer turns to Airbus | Reuters

And they obviously were a bit concerned a few months ago:

Bombardier confident Republic will stick with CSeries order

Since 40 of the NEO's are of the A319 variety, that blows a big hole is Mr. Scott's argument.

C-Series at Republic is DONE!

Agreed. The C-Series promised some major operating savings. But, until that is proven. I think you will see BB stick to what he knows. Airbus' and EMB's

06-22-2011 | 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EWRflyr

Were the F9 pilots played by the typical management playbook of we need concessions to survive or was this order because this newly negotiated agreement REQUIRES the company to do this?

Serious question only. Not bashing.

Republic Airways Announces Order for 80 Airbus NEO Aircraft
Aircraft to be flown by Frontier Airlines

Republic Airways Announces Order for 80 Airbus NEO Aircraft - Yahoo! Finance

The F9 pilots have been "played" since day one. "Dumb", doesn't even begin to describe this spineless, pathetic pilot group. They need to change their name from Frontier to French and get rid of the animals on the tail of their aircraft and replace them with a white surrender flag. It's fun watching them in their death spiral though.

06-22-2011 | 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 170Homie

This!

These 80 Bus' will go great the 40 or so 195's and the 100 or so new C-Series we have coming as well.

This kills the C-Series for Republic. Your boy BB "played" Bombardier against Airbus and got what he wanted as far as price and financing guarantees.

In the Q & A, the CSeries are still arriving in 2015. The Airbus NEOs begin to arrive 2016. According to BB, both will be operated. The NEOs are a replacement for existing Airbus.