Delta getting close to fleet renewal order
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Holding the line may not be good enough, you may have to take it back. Consider Delta is extracting millions out of its regional partners through IROPS. All of pinnacles profits have been stripped away by Delta, we are even rumored to be heading towards bankruptcy. The only way to accomplish this is through a changing dynamic at the regionals. You may find that after all the 50seaters are parked, they come right back to the line.
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With seating for up to 122, a takeoff weight in the 114,000 lb range (est), and a range of appx 2200nm. I am surprised that no one has chose to operate the E-195 in the U.S. yet. I guess there just aren't any good deal on them. Having flown the 175, I was really impressed with its capability and ease of operation. Wouldn't mind seeing a small fleet of these at DAL though.
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If the 195 is a good platform to operate, it seems we'll see them in the US domestic market after the pilots of UA/CO, DL, AA, and US get their new contracts, helping solidify the certificate placement of these kinds of aircraft in the future.
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Without knowing the economics of operating an EMB-195 (often times stretching an aircraft comes with performance penalties - ie, the A-321 and B-737-900ER, which take performance hits vs. a B-757-200, despite similar cabin sizes), scope is likely an issue. If 195's are @ mainline but 170's and even 175's contracted out, the cost savings of the common type, common parts inventory, and economies of scale are squandered away. Why get 195's @ mainline now when you can strong-arm your pilots into give-backs in contract talks, plus strong-arm your contractors in the future into acquiring them on their balance sheets, perhaps where they take on more of the revenue risk too (no more 'cost plus' or 'fee for departure' contracts)?
If the 195 is a good platform to operate, it seems we'll see them in the US domestic market after the pilots of UA/CO, DL, AA, and US get their new contracts, helping solidify the certificate placement of these kinds of aircraft in the future.
If the 195 is a good platform to operate, it seems we'll see them in the US domestic market after the pilots of UA/CO, DL, AA, and US get their new contracts, helping solidify the certificate placement of these kinds of aircraft in the future.
You are exactly right, the big scope question mark on the E195 and C Series makes the marketing of those very difficult. Hard to make massive purchasing decisions without knowing who's really going to be operating them.
While the ALPA apologists say they will hold the line, ALPA sure isn't bold enough to even put that position into print.
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