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Old 07-03-2011, 09:53 PM
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A lot of us weren't even here 15 years ago. 50 seaters are dying. We hold the line, and 76 seaters will die too.
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:45 PM
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Sadly you are 15 years too late...
and sadly for your sake your 50 seater will soon be no longer be needed for DAL. Good luck to you.
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
A lot of us weren't even here 15 years ago. 50 seaters are dying. We hold the line, and 76 seaters will die too.
Holding the line may not be good enough, you may have to take it back. Consider Delta is extracting millions out of its regional partners through IROPS. All of pinnacles profits have been stripped away by Delta, we are even rumored to be heading towards bankruptcy. The only way to accomplish this is through a changing dynamic at the regionals. You may find that after all the 50seaters are parked, they come right back to the line.
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Holding the line may not be good enough, you may have to take it back.
This is an interesting quote considering you voted "76 seaters do not belong at mainline" back in the Staple-Compass poll.
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This is an interesting quote considering you voted "76 seaters do not belong at mainline" back in the Staple-Compass poll.
No, I voted do not staple compass. They would have had flow back rights to XJ if that had happened.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 View Post
A lot of us weren't even here 15 years ago. 50 seaters are dying. We hold the line, and 76 seaters will die too.

Thats what the French said too, "Hold the line"...

Just remember, Scope effects your career and pay effects your sex life!!!
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With seating for up to 122, a takeoff weight in the 114,000 lb range (est), and a range of appx 2200nm. I am surprised that no one has chose to operate the E-195 in the U.S. yet. I guess there just aren't any good deal on them. Having flown the 175, I was really impressed with its capability and ease of operation. Wouldn't mind seeing a small fleet of these at DAL though.
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With seating for up to 122, a takeoff weight in the 114,000 lb range (est), and a range of appx 2200nm. I am surprised that no one has chose to operate the E-195 in the U.S. yet.
Without knowing the economics of operating an EMB-195 (often times stretching an aircraft comes with performance penalties - ie, the A-321 and B-737-900ER, which take performance hits vs. a B-757-200, despite similar cabin sizes), scope is likely an issue. If 195's are @ mainline but 170's and even 175's contracted out, the cost savings of the common type, common parts inventory, and economies of scale are squandered away. Why get 195's @ mainline now when you can strong-arm your pilots into give-backs in contract talks, plus strong-arm your contractors in the future into acquiring them on their balance sheets, perhaps where they take on more of the revenue risk too (no more 'cost plus' or 'fee for departure' contracts)?

If the 195 is a good platform to operate, it seems we'll see them in the US domestic market after the pilots of UA/CO, DL, AA, and US get their new contracts, helping solidify the certificate placement of these kinds of aircraft in the future.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:42 AM
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No, I voted do not staple compass. They would have had flow back rights to XJ if that had happened.
Of course had the unity faction managed to get Compass on board, the next to follow that model would have been you. Had everything not been torpedoed without study you might be building longevity at a place where longevity matters.

Voting against unity always harms those who voted against it.

The longer I watch this business the more truth I witness in that statement.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:45 AM
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Without knowing the economics of operating an EMB-195 (often times stretching an aircraft comes with performance penalties - ie, the A-321 and B-737-900ER, which take performance hits vs. a B-757-200, despite similar cabin sizes), scope is likely an issue. If 195's are @ mainline but 170's and even 175's contracted out, the cost savings of the common type, common parts inventory, and economies of scale are squandered away. Why get 195's @ mainline now when you can strong-arm your pilots into give-backs in contract talks, plus strong-arm your contractors in the future into acquiring them on their balance sheets, perhaps where they take on more of the revenue risk too (no more 'cost plus' or 'fee for departure' contracts)?

If the 195 is a good platform to operate, it seems we'll see them in the US domestic market after the pilots of UA/CO, DL, AA, and US get their new contracts, helping solidify the certificate placement of these kinds of aircraft in the future.
There are a lot of them down a UIO, so apparently they are not that performance limited.

You are exactly right, the big scope question mark on the E195 and C Series makes the marketing of those very difficult. Hard to make massive purchasing decisions without knowing who's really going to be operating them.

While the ALPA apologists say they will hold the line, ALPA sure isn't bold enough to even put that position into print.
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