Originally Posted by 4andCounting

I will acknowledge that we did not make money in the third quarter. We did show an operational profit and the top line revenue shows bright spots all over. But to accuse me that I am the problem with this industry is so preposterous that I don't even know where to begin. This is my fifth airline in 11 years. I have been furloughed more times than I can count. I have more types than I have recurrent events.

I have stood the high ground more times than I can count. And you know what happens everytime I turn around to look for support, or even a show of confidence from my pilot brothers or my management to do what's right by its people. I end up on the bottom of another seniority list. So please spare me your crap. I no longer care to hear it. I am now working for the same person you all are. Myself. And if that means lining up behind an untried business model, or a nonunion carrier when there are no legacy jobs to be had? You know what I say? Go Virgin! I've never wished harm on anyone else and still don't. I want to see us all succeed. And I don't want that success to come from fish, any of the haters, or anyone else for that matter.

To act like I'm the problem when you all built this industry. Ha!

Originally Posted by 4andCounting

No john's I was not speaking of you. I was referring to an earlier post. I have always tried to stay above the rhetoric around here. But I can't stand unfounded personnel attacks. Happy holiday's!

Originally Posted by MusicPilot

AA's costs across the board are out the roof.

Originally Posted by MusicPilot

With that said, filing bk as a start-up makes it hard to gain trust in the financial sector.

Originally Posted by 4andCounting

No john's I was not speaking of you. I was referring to an earlier post. I have always tried to stay above the rhetoric around here. But I can't stand unfounded personnel attacks. Happy holiday's!

Originally Posted by Clear Right

Hang in there 4andC, the same guys bad mouthed Southwest and JetBlue when they were start ups. We heard the same rhetoric spouted toward JetBlue not too long ago, and sometimes still hear it because we are non-union. But in less than 10 years we are the 5th best compensated pilot group of all the majors. I wish you luck, it is always a risk to go to a start-up, hope for the best and prepare for the worst in this industry.

Originally Posted by johnso29

AA had over 400 new airplanes ordered before they filed BK. Please tell me what airplane orders has to do with NOT filing BK.

Originally Posted by johnso29

You said that a factor for VA not filing BK is because they have airplanes on order. I say that is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by chucknorris

These are the numbers... Besides revenue every financial metric at va is getting worse, not better.

Profit q3 2010: 7 million
Profit q3 2011: -3 million

Profit year to date 2010: -43 million
Profit year to date 2011: -69 million

Operating profit 2010: - 1 million
Operating profit 2011: - 19 million

Ex fuel casm increased by 9%

Originally Posted by peastain

The bothersome aspect here for Virgin this their costs are about the lowest in the industry and still they are losing money.

That's the point. If there's a VA BK filing I'm afraid it will be buh buh Virgin.

Originally Posted by Clear Right

Hang in there 4andC, the same guys bad mouthed Southwest and JetBlue when they were start ups. We heard the same rhetoric spouted toward JetBlue not too long ago, and sometimes still hear it because we are non-union. But in less than 10 years we are the 5th best compensated pilot group of all the majors. I wish you luck, it is always a risk to go to a start-up, hope for the best and prepare for the worst in this industry.

Originally Posted by Fishfreighter

See next post.

As others have said, if someone buys VX then the pilots will be ecstatic just to get stapled.

If not...burger flipping.