DAL T/A Negatives
05-21-2012 | 07:51 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious they're concerned about politics. They're the guys that are always against being for anything that might require a decision to be made.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
I for one am glad to have the NWA guys who obviously have more backbone than others in the group.
I hope someone is gathering the names of those who voted to send this POS to the membership.
05-21-2012 | 08:08 AM
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So a few days ago I posted that any T/A containing additional 76 seaters would constitute ALPA intervention on management's behalf to save the two-tier outsourcing system from destruction. 14 reps just voted for that. 
05-21-2012 | 08:08 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious they're concerned about politics. They're the guys that are always against being for anything that might require a decision to be made.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
This seems pretty out of character from the Sinkr8 that usually posts well thought out and reasoned logic. Must have done a red eye.
05-21-2012 | 08:22 AM
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Just remember, we already know from some of the bullet points, the core work rules (ie more hours/need for less pilots, decreased ability to drop/swap, decreased ability to earn premium pay and other "productivity" rules in management's favor) were being targeted.
If those turn out being true, adding in crappy pay rates only bolsters the case to: 1. Vote this down. 2. Bring in a group who will do a better job, top to bottom...bottom to top of representing this pilot group.
A lot of damage has already been done on this potential contract. There is no one to blame for that other than DALPA who put it together and apparently started too low during our "big leverage with huge opportunities available RIGHT NOW!" moment. Might be a good time to cut our losses and bring in someone else. I for one don't want to work more hours, be away from home more often and decrease my QOL and flexibility for a peanut shell pay raise.
If those turn out being true, adding in crappy pay rates only bolsters the case to: 1. Vote this down. 2. Bring in a group who will do a better job, top to bottom...bottom to top of representing this pilot group.
A lot of damage has already been done on this potential contract. There is no one to blame for that other than DALPA who put it together and apparently started too low during our "big leverage with huge opportunities available RIGHT NOW!" moment. Might be a good time to cut our losses and bring in someone else. I for one don't want to work more hours, be away from home more often and decrease my QOL and flexibility for a peanut shell pay raise.
05-21-2012 | 08:23 AM
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It's not a NvS post, it's a lingering "GvS" politics post, as was described to me by several of you. Now, before I get reminded that I wasn't there, I'll stipulate to the fact that I have no expertise in pre-merger politics.
But post-merger politics have been pretty consistent. It's my observation that some guys will always make it a career to be against anything that's not 100% popular. Obviously, these guys counted votes, and obviously, they know they were not going to scuttle it, and I think they like it exactly that way. I remain unimpressed by their politics. In fact, I think the MEC should call their bluff, and rally behind these five, turn a T/A down. Let them lead a while.
Nothing to do with the pilot group in general, or either pre-merger group.
05-21-2012 | 08:26 AM
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No, and my meds are balanced, KingBird.
It's not a NvS post, it's a lingering "GvS" politics post, as was described to me by several of you. Now, before I get reminded that I wasn't there, I'll stipulate to the fact that I have no expertise in pre-merger politics.
But post-merger politics have been pretty consistent. It's my observation that some guys will always make it a career to be against anything that's not 100% popular. Obviously, these guys counted votes, and obviously, they know they were not going to scuttle it, and I think they like it exactly that way. I remain unimpressed by their politics. In fact, I think the MEC should call their bluff, and rally behind these five, turn a T/A down. Let them lead a while.
Nothing to do with the pilot group in general, or either pre-merger group.
It's not a NvS post, it's a lingering "GvS" politics post, as was described to me by several of you. Now, before I get reminded that I wasn't there, I'll stipulate to the fact that I have no expertise in pre-merger politics.
But post-merger politics have been pretty consistent. It's my observation that some guys will always make it a career to be against anything that's not 100% popular. Obviously, these guys counted votes, and obviously, they know they were not going to scuttle it, and I think they like it exactly that way. I remain unimpressed by their politics. In fact, I think the MEC should call their bluff, and rally behind these five, turn a T/A down. Let them lead a while.
Nothing to do with the pilot group in general, or either pre-merger group.
Sink
If it is truely the 4/8/3/3 pay raises and more 76 seat RJs I think we should cheer the NO votes no matter if they were North or South.
I am trying to remain open minded but right now this deal seems pathetic.
05-21-2012 | 08:30 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious they're concerned about politics. They're the guys that are always against being for anything that might require a decision to be made.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
They're mostly political animals, and we all just have to factor in the fact they're dedicated no-voters that try to make themselves look like real bad-a$$es. They probably ride in a Harley club together, and have tattoos of some dangerous animal on their biceps.
Whatever.
What concerns me is that these guys have to go fly once in a while, and figure out how to get around thunderstorms.
05-21-2012 | 08:35 AM
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To accuse AA, TT or SS of playing politics is absolutely absurd on it's face, and exposes the fact that you don't know jack abou the fNWA pilot group or their reps.
Honestly offended.
Nu
Honestly offended.
Nu
05-21-2012 | 08:35 AM
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No, and my meds are balanced, KingBird.
It's not a NvS post, it's a lingering "GvS" politics post, as was described to me by several of you. Now, before I get reminded that I wasn't there, I'll stipulate to the fact that I have no expertise in pre-merger politics.
But post-merger politics have been pretty consistent. It's my observation that some guys will always make it a career to be against anything that's not 100% popular. Obviously, these guys counted votes, and obviously, they know they were not going to scuttle it, and I think they like it exactly that way. I remain unimpressed by their politics. In fact, I think the MEC should call their bluff, and rally behind these five, turn a T/A down. Let them lead a while.
Nothing to do with the pilot group in general, or either pre-merger group.
It's not a NvS post, it's a lingering "GvS" politics post, as was described to me by several of you. Now, before I get reminded that I wasn't there, I'll stipulate to the fact that I have no expertise in pre-merger politics.
But post-merger politics have been pretty consistent. It's my observation that some guys will always make it a career to be against anything that's not 100% popular. Obviously, these guys counted votes, and obviously, they know they were not going to scuttle it, and I think they like it exactly that way. I remain unimpressed by their politics. In fact, I think the MEC should call their bluff, and rally behind these five, turn a T/A down. Let them lead a while.
Nothing to do with the pilot group in general, or either pre-merger group.
It appears we are about to be presented a POS contract proposal based upon what SF has already said. Quit with the political hand wringing, squabbling and finger pointing. We are way beyond that now. Keep your eye on the ball man!
05-21-2012 | 08:36 AM
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My reps voted for it. Are they bad people? I don't think so. Do I need to follow their lead? I don't think so either.
People will try to link the two discussions, and use 5 dissenters as ammo. I think it's stupid to use 14 "for" votes as ammo, so I'm not going to give credit to either side. The real discussion that's about to unfold isn't about whether the T/A should be passed on to us, but about how we will individually and collectively act on it.
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