DAL T/A Negatives
05-21-2012 | 09:32 AM
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Apparently we get a 35% cut in profit sharing and a "promise" for 100 seat aircraft.
05-21-2012 | 09:33 AM
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Source:
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer
May 21, 2012
Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.
As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.
I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.
I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.
Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.
We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.
Respectfully,
Jeff Smisek
So we get this from CEO of UCAL before our own MEC?
http://www.unitednegotiations.com/em...-to-pilots.pdf
Jeff Smisek
President and Chief Executive Officer
May 21, 2012
Dear Pilots:
I want to thank you for your professionalism, as you provide our customers with safe and reliable air transportation every day.
As I’ve said ever since we merged, my goal is to bring work groups together in a manner that is fair to them and fair to the company. Fairness, in a highly competitive business like commercial aviation, means paying competitively, and receiving in return competitive services so that our customers will want to fly us and our investors will want to invest in us. We need to charge competitive prices for our products, and pay competitive prices for the goods, services and people that we need to run our airline.
I’ve spoken to a large number of you in the cockpit as I have traveled around the system, and I share your desire for a quick resolution to contract negotiations for a joint collective bargaining agreement. Since March 2012, when NMB mediators and the parties established the “small group” negotiating process, we’ve made substantial progress in reducing the number of open issues. We are fast approaching the point that the parties will begin to negotiate the key remaining issues.
I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.
Now is the time for all parties to put aside political differences and posturing, and focus on the remaining open contract items. What I ask of you is that we work together to complete our negotiations promptly.
We’ve been negotiating long enough. Let’s get this done.
Respectfully,
Jeff Smisek
So we get this from CEO of UCAL before our own MEC?
This doesn't just affect DC9 guys. It goes up to 747 FOs, NB captains, all the way down the bottom. The only guy scope relief wont affect is the top 5% of those flying the largest widebodies. Make no mistake, large RJ's can and will replace DC9, MD88/90, 737, A319/320, 757 flying and sabotage all pilot upgrades.
05-21-2012 | 09:34 AM
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O yea but there is no way 35% of your profit sharing would add up to 4,8.5,3,3 over the next 4 years when they are only predicting annual profits in the 2-3b range. Amirite? 
05-21-2012 | 09:40 AM
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If it ain't obvious, I'm a "NO". I've seen enough weakness already.
05-21-2012 | 09:43 AM
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TA Summary
From the DALPA Boards: 
Sure hope its wrong but Ive got a bad feeling about this.
Two different sources and they matched exactly.
4/8.5/3/3 on raises. Pilot pool of profit sharing money reduced from 15 percent to 10 on the first bucket to fund raises.
More 76 seat RJ's however a block hour formula reducing overall numbers
Small DC raise back loaded
overtime flying pay above 85 hours.
Promise of a 100 seat aircraft. Same promise that's been made for 21 years.
The rest is pretty much what was released on scheduling items.
I am guessing overall cost to the company is under 350 million a year.
Scoop - New DPA Drive membership representative to be!
Sure hope its wrong but Ive got a bad feeling about this.
Two different sources and they matched exactly.
4/8.5/3/3 on raises. Pilot pool of profit sharing money reduced from 15 percent to 10 on the first bucket to fund raises.
More 76 seat RJ's however a block hour formula reducing overall numbers
Small DC raise back loaded
overtime flying pay above 85 hours.
Promise of a 100 seat aircraft. Same promise that's been made for 21 years.
The rest is pretty much what was released on scheduling items.
I am guessing overall cost to the company is under 350 million a year.
Scoop - New DPA Drive membership representative to be!
05-21-2012 | 09:46 AM
#37
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Someone please explaint to me how what we read in the negotiators notepad and what we are seeing now is SOMEHOW NOT CONCESSIONARY?
05-21-2012 | 09:57 AM
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05-21-2012 | 10:12 AM
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I bet we could get it down to under 10% of daily departures if we gave up 777/747's.
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