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Old 05-28-2012 | 03:45 PM
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come on guys, I am serious. I see it posted alot here, how it is "really gonna happen this time."

Age 65 group all gonna retire, "big expansian in Asia", freight is growing, etc etc blah blah blah.

looking for the start-date please
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Old 05-28-2012 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by satpak77
come on guys, I am serious. I see it posted alot here, how it is "really gonna happen this time."

Age 65 group all gonna retire, "big expansian in Asia", freight is growing, etc etc blah blah blah.

looking for the start-date please
Freight is not growing (volumes are actually dropping right now), asia is slowing down it's growth rate. Only thing you've got going is Age 65, which means all the pilots flying the 50 seaters that are about to be parked will be moving over to the mainline to replace the guys moving up after 10+ years of stagnation at the bottom.

shortage? nope!
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Old 05-28-2012 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by satpak77
come on guys, I am serious. I see it posted alot here, how it is "really gonna happen this time."

Age 65 group all gonna retire, "big expansian in Asia", freight is growing, etc etc blah blah blah.

looking for the start-date please
The 5-year extension for the 60-to-65 rule change "ends" on 13 Dec 2012.

As others have said, this doesn't necessarily mean that any hiring frenzy is going to kick off on that date. This only causes a hiring boom if every retirement is filled with a new employee number instead of the airline simply contracting and having less pilots flying less lines.
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Old 05-28-2012 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Freight is not growing (volumes are actually dropping right now), asia is slowing down it's growth rate. Only thing you've got going is Age 65, which means all the pilots flying the 50 seaters that are about to be parked will be moving over to the mainline to replace the guys moving up after 10+ years of stagnation at the bottom.

shortage? nope!
what about

big orders to replace old equipment aka AA
growth of "niche markets"
business travel on "upswing"
etc etc

come on give me something to work with.....

start-date please
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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:00 PM
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Come on, dude...it's not like this "hiring boom" is scheduled on a calendar or something. It's a forecast -- generally over the next 5 years.
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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Come on, dude...it's not like this "hiring boom" is scheduled on a calendar or something. It's a forecast -- generally over the next 5 years.

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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:30 PM
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Toward the end of 2007 early 2008 there was a shortage between flight schools, some part 135 single/multi outfits, all the way up to some regional airlines. Trans States was hiring 250h total ME commercial if I remember correctly. I think Comair had a sign on bonus. Some regionals took direct entry CAs. Gojets, Gulfstream, some others I don't remember. Several check hauling companies had to cut capacity since part 135 IFR mins were well above 121 and they could not keep people above 1000h total time. I know Flight Express lost a lot of business during those times.

Even if there will be a shortage, it will never hit the majors. With these oil prices and E190s going to the majors there has to be some significant capacity cuts at the regional level. So it will not even affect the regionals.

That is my guess anyways.
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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:50 PM
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The start date is January 23, 2013.

Next.
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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Come on, dude...it's not like this "hiring boom" is scheduled on a calendar or something. It's a forecast -- generally over the next 5 years.
yes I am aware, but wanted to get it brought out into the open as I see "the shortage" discussed on here more and more
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Old 05-28-2012 | 04:57 PM
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Don't be silly! The pilot shortage will have occurred when sometime after you are hired and you notice 500 pilots beneath you on the senority list!
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