Agree with all, spot on Carl.

Not sure why everyone thinks Plan B is going to be the end of the world.

I'd be happy to make a drinking man's bet that the B717's are coming regardless of the outcome from this TA.

 

Richard probably also told them this was the best they could do as well, so there was obviously no more to get.......

 

Deltanet - Richard Q&A: Midyear Update, 6/22/12

 

Your CEO tells you in no uncertain terms he will move on and take the money the pilots were going to get and use it for the alternate plan.

All the union negotiators in the room both pilot and professional all say this is it, the company will walk away if we say no.

I am not thrilled with what we got, I wanted more. But I don't cut off my nose to spite my face.

I don't view this as a test of manhood, bravado, etc. It is a business decision.

Capt. Hook

 

Too funny. What would you expect a CEO to tell you?

"take the money the pilots were going to get..." Yeah, the brilliant CEO is just going to ignore that bill coming due and use it for the alternate plan without acknowledging the fact that at some point the pilots are going to have to be paid. So the brilliant CEO who is to be feared for the gospel that comes from his mouth is also able to convince his employees that he's just going to ignore the reality of having to pay his primary labor force. Got it. Do you realize this flies in the face of the logic that the company wants to settle this concern before it moves forward with its strategic plan? If it's not important to ensure the pilot contract is settled before moving forward then why did they come to us to knock it out sooner rather than later? The logic that they'll just forge ahead without settling this ignores the reality.

Again, you believe everything you're told. What would you expect to hear otherwise? Do you need them to come back with, "You guys really, really, really need to pass this TA, but if you don't we think we can get more like you originally wanted." ???? Seriously, that's what the alternative to what they're saying now. But because they won't and can't say that the truth has to be the opposite which is, "Guys, we did the absolute best that could be done; no one in this world could have done better--we are the best of the best, and therefore you need to pass this because it's impossible to do better than we did."

Frame it however you want so you can live with yourself, but in the end it the company and MEC are playing to your fears that lead pilots to taking the safest and known path. The psychologists on their payroll were a good investment.

 

I missed your post responding to the guys who jumped all over RA's and Mike Campbell's comments that the TA was "cost neutral".

You believe everything you're told?

This selective listening is bothersome. Please help me smack anybody who swallows anything these guys say. The key is to watch what they DO!

What they DO is - everything possible to prevent more unions from coming on the property. To that end, I predict they will not offer the pilots more in any sort of expedited manner. To do so would empower organizers within the other work groups at Delta to start drives. Organizers will capitalize on the success of rank-and-file union members "standing up" to management. They will counter the anti-union rhetoric from management by pointing out that it was individuals, through their votes, that brought Anderson to his knees and got the pilots a sweeter deal.

For that reason, RA will slow-play us.

 

Build a straw man...got it.

So where did they do or say anything to support your theory? Missed that part of your reasoning.

 

Yup, unions and airline managements ALWAYS tell the truth, Always. Changing my vote

 

+++++++++++717+++++++++++

constructive infringement. youre never allowed to say no to the first offer.

 

Sort of a mob mentality around here. It looks like we are done with rational discussion and moved on to making a yes vote a sign of personal weakness.

Capt. Hook