Plan B?
06-23-2012 | 10:53 AM
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One thing that's interesting is that the Pinnacle scope contract requires the integration of the our pilot group onto an acquiring carriers list if the acquisition results in a reduction of airframes here at 9E. Why Lee Moak signed this I don't know, that's massive leverage management has against you guys.
06-23-2012 | 10:53 AM
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Yes, the alternate plan for the union is to go back to negotiating, but it could go on a couple more years for less money eventually. Do you really think a strike could ever be in the cards? Rule that out. So, the options are limited, and so was the offer. I think it's a pretty good offer for a 3 year contract though. It gets us in the direction we want to go pay wise, and improvements in many areas.
You are behaving EXACTLY like the AirTran pilots. They had the newly passed McCaskill-Bond legislation on their side, yet they accepted SWA's seniority list offer because of fear. Totally unreasoned fear.
Saying that strikes have to be ruled out is blind illogical fear. The NMB has NEVER said this. This White House has NEVER said this. This Congress has NEVER said this. Yet you state this as though it was fact. If you want to behave like an AirTran pilot, that's fine. But it literally sickens me.
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06-23-2012 | 10:59 AM
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06-23-2012 | 11:00 AM
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I don't believe it is a "straw man" argument to give more credence to what they do, over what they say. That's all.
AFA, IAM, etc
Did you happen to follow any other the AFA drive over the last two years?
Did you happen to follow any other the AFA drive over the last two years?
06-23-2012 | 11:05 AM
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Had the MEC followed the proper protocol, it wouldn't have gotten to this point.
The MEC could have redirected the NC, they would have gone back in, fixed the problems, then come back with a TA that more people could have supported.
And no one would have known outside the MEC, the NC and the company negotiators. What the other employee groups think, or that whole dynamic you describe above would never have happened.
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The MEC could have redirected the NC, they would have gone back in, fixed the problems, then come back with a TA that more people could have supported.
And no one would have known outside the MEC, the NC and the company negotiators. What the other employee groups think, or that whole dynamic you describe above would never have happened.
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No question the DTW reps are unhappy about how their influence in the process was not followed. I'm trying to recall a time when they've EVER been happy... The question comes from whether we permit the minority to have their way in matters like this.
06-23-2012 | 11:09 AM
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RA pretty much stated what would happen, and he didn't sound like "Don't worry guys, if you say no, we'll get back in there the next day and work out a better deal for you." No, he stated this deal took a lot of work to try to create, and even though the relationship with the pilots will remain, a lot will have gone to waste and the next plan will take shape.
ROLL THE DICE......
ROLL THE DICE......
06-23-2012 | 11:12 AM
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Your car salesman analogy fails because the deal was AGREED to by both parties. At this point the MEC has presented the Agreement for ratification.
Our MEC endorsed the deal. Not everybody on the MEC, just like it doesn't take every congressman to pass a Bill. You get that. Let's get back on point. I think RA will not allow the rank-and-file to alter this deal quickly - within the next several months - because he doesn't want other groups to use it against him. What say you?
06-23-2012 | 11:17 AM
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I bet they won't be too happy with a NO vote, which leads me to believe it could take a long time to renegotiate anything. Just a hunch, just like you guys have with your leverage thoughts.
06-23-2012 | 11:22 AM
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This is a curious example for you to use Carl......as I'm sure you are aware, the Airtran MEC voted down the initial SLI agreement on an almost unanimous tally (7-1) in August 2011. They were rewarded for their bravery by having SWA release the dogs and they ended up with what nearly everyone believes is a worse deal than the first. That doesn't strike me as event where voting 'NO' leads to bigger and better things.
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