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Old 06-23-2012 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
Well okay then, let's all demand full restoration...........six years later....
Finally a rational post from Bill "Lawnchair" Lumberg!!!

Glad your starting to see the light.
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:25 AM
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Lol- as I've said before, I'd love to play poker with him. Like swiping candy from a baby.
Hey Bill.........BOO!
I already think the deal is a good one. Short duration, good pay for 3 years, 200 fewer 50 seaters, 717s. You and your friends have grandiose plans that don't float in this environment. I have complete faith in you that you'll figure it out. Have a great day!
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Finally a rational post from Bill "Lawnchair" Lumberg!!!

Glad your starting to see the light.
The "six years later" part pointed to waiting atleast 6 more years for a resolution. Thanks, you also see it rationally too. Hallelujah!
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
The AirTran/ SWA/ Boeing 717 deal along with the trade up with Bombardier was probably completed in an hour. No biggie......???

I bet they won't be too happy with a NO vote, which leads me to believe it could take a long time to renegotiate anything. Just a hunch, just like you guys have with your leverage thoughts.
Why would they be happy when it's voted down? They'll certainly know the pilots aren't happy with it. I doubt RA wants investors and passengers to know the pilots aren't happy. It would go against everything he's previously said in the press. He can, however, make them happy.
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:39 AM
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I think that the ultimate plan is another merger for Delta. RA wants labor peace before he initiates this move. If we don't have a contract done the pilots will do everything possible to slow down a merger. One only has to compare our merger vs. US/AMwest or UAL/CAL to see the value that we gave Delta.

Back to the original post. If this TA gets shot down my belief is that the company will quickly come back with another offer. Why? Because the next merger will not be smooth unless we're on board as happy campers

The worst case scenario for us if we shoot down this TA is that the 717's do not come and the company somehow would end up with 255 76 seat RJ's. I can live with the worst case results if the TA gets shot down.

If one believes a merger is around the corner, good chance the company will come back to the table in a hurry. Just my .02
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg
I already think the deal is a good one. Short duration, good pay for 3 years, 200 fewer 50 seaters, 717s. You and your friends have grandiose plans that don't float in this environment. I have complete faith in you that you'll figure it out. Have a great day!
...you forgot the part where we change the language from the PWA and allow an increase in the 76 seat fleet without growing mainline first and on top of that they don't have to park 70 seaters anymore.

And by the time this is all said and done we'll have more jumbo RJs then we currently have CRJ-200s, 325 vs 324.
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
I think that the ultimate plan is another merger for Delta. RA wants labor peace before he initiates this move. If we don't have a contract done the pilots will do everything possible to slow down a merger. One only has to compare our merger vs. US/AMwest or UAL/CAL to see the value that we gave Delta.

Back to the original post. If this TA gets shot down my belief is that the company will quickly come back with another offer. Why? Because the next merger will not be smooth unless we're on board as happy campers

The worst case scenario for us if we shoot down this TA is that the 717's do not come and the company somehow would end up with 255 76 seat RJ's. I can live with the worst case results if the TA gets shot down.

If one believes a merger is around the corner, good chance the company will come back to the table in a hurry. Just my .02
Free Bird, actually if we ever got to 255 76 seaters it would be because we added 86ish jets to the mainline cause. Until then 153 is their cap on CR9s and its bigger friend the E75.
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We need to grow a pair!




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Old 06-23-2012 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
...you forgot the part where we change the language from the PWA and allow an increase in the 76 seat fleet without growing mainline first and on top of that they don't have to park 70 seaters anymore.
Not many Pro TA types like to admit that the 70/76 seat cap of 255 will get raised to 325 if we approve this TA. Any guess what the next cap will be when we do another merger?
Old 06-23-2012 | 11:50 AM
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Free Bird, actually if we ever got to 255 76 seaters it would be because we added 86ish jets to the mainline cause. Until then 153 is their cap on CR9s and its bigger friend the E75.
I'm aware of that, just thought the audience understood that point. Point is that I can live with whatever happens if we vote this down.
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