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Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1222977)
No, you are baiting me, and I am not gonna play. Look elsewhere for a fight.
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Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1222077)
I hate to say it because it sucks, but I believe the pilot group just gave away (by 62%) any moral high ground to demand BK restoration.
The C2K baseline isn't in jeopardy in 2015 because the advancements lost in Ch11 were willingly surrendered yesterday. I hate it, but I'm guessing that's the way a reasonable mediator would see it. |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 1222154)
You nailed it, Boomer! Absolutely spot on.
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8
(Post 1222987)
I think this a common misconception...a mediator could not care less where we were at C2K (or '96, or anywhere else), the only benchmark a mediator would consider relevant would be current industry standard.
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t-
You know who I am, and I know who you are. I'll bet you 50 dollars you can't quote me chapter and verse anywhere in the TA to support your statement on a guarantee of growth. You on? :) |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1223019)
t-
You know who I am, and I know who you are. I'll bet you 50 dollars you can't quote me chapter and verse anywhere in the TA to support your statement on a guarantee of growth. You on? :) http://virginialord.files.wordpress....kpenthouse.png |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1223019)
t-
You know who I am, and I know who you are. I'll bet you 50 dollars you can't quote me chapter and verse anywhere in the TA to support your statement on a guarantee of growth. You on? :) There is no guarantee of growth, just a trigger to promote it. It reads IF DAL adds a 717 or 319 they can add X 76 seat aircraft on a ratio of those snb's to 76 seat aircraft. DALPA says that the end state ratios will result in about 40 aircraft of growth. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1223114)
There is no guarantee of growth, just a trigger to promote it.
It reads IF DAL adds a 717 or 319 they can add X 76 seat aircraft on a ratio of those snb's to 76 seat aircraft. DALPA says that the end state ratios will result in about 40 aircraft of growth. I'm seeing if t can swallow his pride and admit that him stating over and over that it guarantees growth is a either just a mistatement or downright misleading other people intentionally. |
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1221931)
What's your definition of massive growth and how much does DCI need to shrink?
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 1223114)
There is no guarantee of growth, just a trigger to promote it.
It reads IF DAL adds a 717 or 319 they can add X 76 seat aircraft on a ratio of those snb's to 76 seat aircraft. DALPA says that the end state ratios will result in about 40 aircraft of growth. The one thing we forgot to put in the contract was the requirement for growth before 76 seaters. We are left hoping that happens but the ratio doesn't require it. You can have 0 mainline growth and get away with the 1.56 ratio with DCI 450/325. What we've done is guaranteed us a percentage of the flying but gave them the option to shrink consolidated ASMs (like dropping DCI to 450 airframes) without transferring flying to us along the way. The key is once you his DCI 450/325 and say we do start to grow then the growth will eventually come to us. But it doesn't have to right away, they could probably squeeze a lot more BH per DCI aircraft than they have right now but eventually you hit a point that's infeasible. But I'll bet there is room to grow in BH average per airframe for them. |
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