(sigh)

You stated you don't like lies and half truths, so care to show us the exact line(s) in section 1 where it guarantees the new aircraft? The legal language for a guarantee is quite specific, so it should be easy for you to quote.

Since nothing as satisfied you yet, this is it. We KNOW you are an unhappy camper and voted no. I used to enjoy you and T, but both of you are becoming whiny, combative posters.

If:
UCAL has a contract with rates 15% better than ours by 2015,
scope that prevents JV without 50% UCAL pilots,
brings their RJ cap below 450 (ALL UAX, not the selective 51-76 seat jets), the USAirways codeshare with UCAL to less than 10% and no int'l. code.(an AMR merger doesn't count),
and workrule enhancements to require all recalls and hiring before 2014.

OR

If SWA gets a new contract in the next 12 months that has rates+DC above 260/hr.

OR

Lumberg fails his 717 upgrade course,
Bar AE's to a Douglas product,
and PG starts to commute.:D

shiz- Thank you for finally responding without the sarcasm.

I used to enjoy your posts as well, but you've become sarcastic, condescending, and defensive up until this post. Maybe it's time for some introspection as well?


FWIW- I'm far from an unhappy camper, and will take a close look at what could be considered whining and think twice. Just because I disagree does not make me an unhappy camper, though.

It will take a promise and an IRONCLAD clause that has a poison pill. The clause will emphasize our SCOPE:

1) no more LARGE "type" 76 seater or greater in the DCI network
2) not allowed to add to the 450 DCI cap, at all costs
3) Anything more or larger will be flown by mainline pilots

If, in 10 years (Yes, I said 10 years) we are still at the 450 Cap and have not converted the 76 seaters to 90 seaters, I will apologize for my "newfound" lack of trust towards ALPA and the company.

TEN

This concerns me also. RAH, apparently, owns a lot for being such a weak and dyeing carrier.

I have also heard they own a ton of LGA slots. What are the chances that F9 and RAH are the next target for Delta? I understand confidentiality, but this scenario bothers me quite a bit.

It is burdensome to know that Bryan Bedford (Mr. Horrible Labor relations) is able to have so much leverage in this industry.

Let me know. A PM will work too.

TEN

Guys the point we are at now is we have a new PWA. Time to live it, critique it and find areas that need significant improvements when we negotiate the FTDT, or next merger.

The FTDT needs to be done very carefully. If we cut augmentation one bit, the job efficiencies in the PWA are going to pale in comparison.

I did not vote for this deal, but now that it is all of ours, its time to move on, look at the process and make our union and company better.

Finger pointing time is over.

Ten;
I have my concerns too with 1 and the rest of the agreement. I will push to fix them at the first chance we get.

100%% agreed. :)

IMHO, they can have 100 more 76's if:
1) 80 more SNB's
2) They swap out the remaining 70's and 50's in a 2.2 for 1 swap
3) New DCI cap is 323
4) Domestic block hour ratio rises 77%/23%
5) JV prod. balance floor is 48%
6) ALK drops to 25% system wide.
7) Int'l. CS is 30% of any leg that touches the US
8) Int'l. CS is max of 40% of the seats on any "beyond" flying, calculated by city pair.
9) No GTF powered airframes at DCI, all GTF or next-gen powerplants will be operated by mainline pilots.

That would drop DCI seats by another 15.5%, DCI hull reduction of 28%, and a block hour shift to mainline of an additional 16%.

That's just me though.

Im there with you.

TEN