JetBlue 52M 2nd Quarter Profit
08-09-2012 | 06:04 PM
#121
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As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.
08-09-2012 | 09:11 PM
#122
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As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.
08-10-2012 | 02:48 AM
#124
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Over the course of the next 3 years Jetblue is shifting 80% of the healthcare cost to the employee. No other airline does this. In fact, no other company does this. The CATCAB committee, made up of management selectees, is reducing the LTD benefit by 33% this year. No other airline is doing this.
Rake will state correctly we recently received a 3% increase to our 401K. What Rake doesn't understand is the increases in healthcare and disability will cost him more than 3%.
Now, there are 4 possible rebuttals to the above facts:
1. If you don't like it leave;
2. Its better than MESA;
3. No rebuttal at all;
4. I'm on tri-care.
Jetblue pilots have trouble with reality. Jetblue tells you we are the best and they provide you the best.
The reality, based completely in fact, is we are at the bottom of almost every measurable category. These facts are not disputable. These facts do not even incorporate merger protection in our PEA's.
What say you Rake? Does Jetblue truly do good enough? Is the bottom good enough for a company recording record profits?
Rake will state correctly we recently received a 3% increase to our 401K. What Rake doesn't understand is the increases in healthcare and disability will cost him more than 3%.
Now, there are 4 possible rebuttals to the above facts:
1. If you don't like it leave;
2. Its better than MESA;
3. No rebuttal at all;
4. I'm on tri-care.
Jetblue pilots have trouble with reality. Jetblue tells you we are the best and they provide you the best.
The reality, based completely in fact, is we are at the bottom of almost every measurable category. These facts are not disputable. These facts do not even incorporate merger protection in our PEA's.
What say you Rake? Does Jetblue truly do good enough? Is the bottom good enough for a company recording record profits?
08-10-2012 | 03:03 AM
#125
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Is that what they said to women in the 1920's (19th amendment)? How about African Americans in the late 60's? I guess the people saying if you don't like the way things are at JetBlue now, would have been the same ones telling women and blacks to leave. Sometimes you have to fight the fight instead of rolling over and playing dead.
08-10-2012 | 03:38 AM
#126
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The JetBlue pilot group is an interesting study. They have proven the value of a good marketing company. They actually think their benefits are standard despite what the facts clearly state.
I think the phrase is "JetBlue crazy".
I think the phrase is "JetBlue crazy".
08-10-2012 | 06:48 AM
#127
On Reserve
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12
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From: E190 Captain
As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.
My previous post can be summed up with "Know your company history". And you come back with "accept your failure... this place is GREAT".
IF (and that is a really big "if") you understood our history, you would know that the ELT endorsed each previous method. They WANTED a collaborative process. My heartburn is they preached "lets hold hands and do this together" right up to the point when they got the results. Then THEY quit the collaborative process and started making one sided decisions. It was THEIR process... and THEY QUIT!
If you had a business partner that spent the last 6 years going back on agreements, breaking their "handshake" promises, and just outright LYING to you... would you give them another chance, or would you start to employ legally binding contracts when dealing with them?
What do I want? I want this place to be the company that I got hired at. Not the penny pinching, employee hating, regional that the ELT has turned it into.
08-10-2012 | 07:13 AM
#128
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,055
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From: 320 CA
As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.
08-10-2012 | 07:31 AM
#129
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From: Slingin' Gear & Drinkin' Beer
Over the course of the next 3 years Jetblue is shifting 80% of the healthcare cost to the employee. No other airline does this. In fact, no other company does this. The CATCAB committee, made up of management selectees, is reducing the LTD benefit by 33% this year. No other airline is doing this.
Rake will state correctly we recently received a 3% increase to our 401K. What Rake doesn't understand is the increases in healthcare and disability will cost him more than 3%.
Now, there are 4 possible rebuttals to the above facts:
1. If you don't like it leave;
2. Its better than MESA;
3. No rebuttal at all;
4. I'm on tri-care.
Jetblue pilots have trouble with reality. Jetblue tells you we are the best and they provide you the best.
The reality, based completely in fact, is we are at the bottom of almost every measurable category. These facts are not disputable. These facts do not even incorporate merger protection in our PEA's.
What say you Rake? Does Jetblue truly do good enough? Is the bottom good enough for a company recording record profits?
Rake will state correctly we recently received a 3% increase to our 401K. What Rake doesn't understand is the increases in healthcare and disability will cost him more than 3%.
Now, there are 4 possible rebuttals to the above facts:
1. If you don't like it leave;
2. Its better than MESA;
3. No rebuttal at all;
4. I'm on tri-care.
Jetblue pilots have trouble with reality. Jetblue tells you we are the best and they provide you the best.
The reality, based completely in fact, is we are at the bottom of almost every measurable category. These facts are not disputable. These facts do not even incorporate merger protection in our PEA's.
What say you Rake? Does Jetblue truly do good enough? Is the bottom good enough for a company recording record profits?
Where has JetBlue told anyone that they will "provide you the best"???
What is rumored to happen within 3 years, is just that, simply a rumor (or black helicopters in your eyes).
What is rumored to happen never does, and what actually happens is always a total surprise.
08-10-2012 | 07:47 AM
#130
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 12
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From: E190 Captain
If you had a business partner that spent the last 6 years going back on agreements, breaking their "handshake" promises, and just outright LYING to you... would you give them another chance, or would you start to employ legally binding contracts when dealing with them?
When are you apologists going to get up off of your knees?
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