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11-09-2006, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by duvie
I don't know the age at FedeX or UPS (I chose them because I believe they are the most competitive jobs out there) but at CAL the average age of hire has been calculated to be 31.2. I looked at the seniority list and computed the date of hire with date of birth for all the classes that started this year.
252 people were hired before the start of summer and I would wager an additional 200 have been hired this fall. SkyHigh I don't really know how you can refute hard facts. over 500 people will have been hired at Continental by the end of the year, averaging just over 30 years old. This info is factual evidence against the "Very few people make it to the majors and if they do they're too old to enjoy it" idea that you preach.
252 people were hired before the start of summer and I would wager an additional 200 have been hired this fall. SkyHigh I don't really know how you can refute hard facts. over 500 people will have been hired at Continental by the end of the year, averaging just over 30 years old. This info is factual evidence against the "Very few people make it to the majors and if they do they're too old to enjoy it" idea that you preach.
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11-09-2006, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
A pilots estimated or real income should be stripped free of per diem, overtime, dry cleaning compensation, and any other payments or incomes. Then subtract for the accrued costs of initial training and education. Don't forget to then subtract the actual costs of crash pads, airport cars and other commuter costs like hotel rooms and restruant food.
Our expenses aren't as outrageous as you make them seem. Many other jobs require commutes which can subtract from your income. Most aviation jobs also include free parking, an expenditure that many commuters in large cities deal with. I understand you want to paint a realistic picture, but your arguments lack balance and often sound like rants when they disagree with one another, the per diem and food expense is a perfect example.
11-09-2006, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by favila008
I do believe SkyHigh comunicates the risks of aviation, but he exagerates them way too much. On a positive note for SkyHigh, I have a current adverticement for LAPD, starting salary $52,638 to 70,679 (based on education and experience), benefits: Full Pay from first day of academy, 15 days paid vacation plus sick leave and 13 paid holidays, over 200 different types of assignments, flexible schedules, bilingual bonus. Sounds nice, but I don't want to be a police officer.
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11-09-2006, 05:37 AM
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SkyHigh: FXDX is right. Did your dad ever tell you, "you better like what you do because you will do it all your life."? Did your dad ever tell you to start saving on your own? Mine did. I am 20 years at a legacy carrier and was pretty ticked with the A fund, but ultimately I will be OK because I looked after myself. I still love to fly with ten years to go. You were wrong to give up on your dreams and will regret it for the rest of your life
11-09-2006, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by duvie
This is another area where you arguments falter. If you don't include per diem in your income then you shouldn' include restaurant food in your expenses. The two are designed to offset each other and it is quite easy to live within the means of your perdiem, if not even have some per diem left over after eating out.
Our expenses aren't as outrageous as you make them seem. Many other jobs require commutes which can subtract from your income. Most aviation jobs also include free parking, an expenditure that many commuters in large cities deal with. I understand you want to paint a realistic picture, but your arguments lack balance and often sound like rants when they disagree with one another, the per diem and food expense is a perfect example.
Our expenses aren't as outrageous as you make them seem. Many other jobs require commutes which can subtract from your income. Most aviation jobs also include free parking, an expenditure that many commuters in large cities deal with. I understand you want to paint a realistic picture, but your arguments lack balance and often sound like rants when they disagree with one another, the per diem and food expense is a perfect example.
Some of you guys love to grab on to a shred and attempt to claim that my entire premise is faulty. Not so..
In addition most CAL new hires are being based in EWR if I am not mistaken. I wonder what a new hire police officer in Newark or Manhattan earns?
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11-09-2006, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 330xi
SkyHigh: FXDX is right. Did your dad ever tell you, "you better like what you do because you will do it all your life."? Did your dad ever tell you to start saving on your own? Mine did. I am 20 years at a legacy carrier and was pretty ticked with the A fund, but ultimately I will be OK because I looked after myself. I still love to fly with ten years to go. You were wrong to give up on your dreams and will regret it for the rest of your life
Some considerations need to be made towards income. Not all of us are here on a vision quest. Most I would assume have expectations and needs of earning an actual living. Our work is supposed to support our life, not be it.
Your blind pursuit of a good time might be very costly to you in the end.
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11-09-2006, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Some of you guys love to grab on to a shred and attempt to claim that my entire premise is faulty. Not so..
In addition most CAL new hires are being based in EWR if I am not mistaken. I wonder what a new hire police officer in Newark or Manhattan earns?
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In addition most CAL new hires are being based in EWR if I am not mistaken. I wonder what a new hire police officer in Newark or Manhattan earns?
SkyHigh
I feel that when some of your information is clearly an exageration or speculation it ultimately discredits your other points. You have an important role here, but lately IMHO your credibility has been slipping
11-09-2006, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by duvie
3 to 6 in classes of 12 go to Houston rest go to Newark. That is a range of 50-75% to Newark. I wouldn't call that "most"
I feel that when some of your information is clearly an exageration or speculation it ultimately discredits your other points. You have an important role here, but lately IMHO your credibility has been slipping
I feel that when some of your information is clearly an exageration or speculation it ultimately discredits your other points. You have an important role here, but lately IMHO your credibility has been slipping
Often it seems that readers wish to use these small inaccuracies as a way to discredit my points that are very accurate.
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11-09-2006, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Thanks for taking the time to actually look that up. In addition I don't think I exaggerate my claims any worse that others like to exaggerate their cliams in favor of aviation.
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See, there in lies your predicament... Who in the hell wants to be a cop in LA or EWR and who the hell wants to live there. I think part of the pay scale relates to the fact that they have to offer a high salary because the pool of applicants is not real deep. If you make 50K in LA you're going to live in a trailer park, or commuting to work, just like the Horizon guys. Oh yeah, the recruiting add also said the pay was based on education level. How many college grads do you think are going to apply...
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