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Old 03-26-2013, 06:01 AM
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And as rapacious vultures do as they do I don't pat them on the back for it.

You continue to support YOUR management as we continue to fall further and further down the hole.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
If they add more vacation periods in the summer, YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS will be the ones yelling the loudest about low bid divisors and lack of premium pay in the slow months....
Tell us how things work at the Blujet. You've been here two weeks and you think you have it all figured out. Last I checked they already lowered the divisors, reduced open time, play games with open time, created secondary lines, and do whatever they want this group. The game is rigged and the deck is stacked but you and your Bluebelle buddies refuse to open your eyes.

This PAR committee is the latest game. We can talk about pay and benefits but in the end the biggest problem is a lack of process for pay and compensation as well as disciplinary action. Wake up guys, don't let yourself be duped one more day.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:28 AM
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The gloves are off as this Management v. PVC saga continues. Does this sound like an ALPA negotiation or what? I tell you what, I like it. I'm pretty new to JetBlue and I've seen the first ALPA drive come and go, and all the effort management put into the drive. I felt their sincerity, and I still truly believe that there are no "horns" growing from beneath their blue management ball caps. That's why I love this company. Great people and a great product.

We, as comparative major airline pilots, know and have spoken our position in regard to industry competitive wages. (Via the PVC) The company has chosen to start a "tit for tat" verbal/legal debate. I think the most recent email from the company, in regards to their eagerness to complete the new PEA negotiation this summer, shows they are looking to continue with the status quo in wage increases and pilot give backs. I would aim to guess they are offering a minimal wage increase and asking for multiple changes in regards to our "working agreements". Honestly, they seem to be a bit frightened by the PVC's boldness in our current position. For years, the company has touted the DR as the mainstay staple of a pilots individuality and success at JetBlue. It worked, but as the company has grown the company has used this as a bargaining chip against the pilot group.

This is the time and the conversation to rebuild the DR. But to do this, the company will have to make considerable increases to pilot wages and not ask for changes or givebacks in other areas. This is the "Tipping Point" of the DR. If the company does not make a good faith step towards the PVC's data and points, it will be the beginning of an organized labor force and CBA.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba View Post
The gloves are off as this Management v. PVC saga continues. Does this sound like an ALPA negotiation or what? I tell you what, I like it. I'm pretty new to JetBlue and I've seen the first ALPA drive come and go, and all the effort management put into the drive. I felt their sincerity, and I still truly believe that there are no "horns" growing from beneath their blue management ball caps. That's why I love this company. Great people and a great product.

We, as comparative major airline pilots, know and have spoken our position in regard to industry competitive wages. (Via the PVC) The company has chosen to start a "tit for tat" verbal/legal debate. I think the most recent email from the company, in regards to their eagerness to complete the new PEA negotiation this summer, shows they are looking to continue with the status quo in wage increases and pilot give backs. I would aim to guess they are offering a minimal wage increase and asking for multiple changes in regards to our "working agreements". Honestly, they seem to be a bit frightened by the PVC's boldness in our current position. For years, the company has touted the DR as the mainstay staple of a pilots individuality and success at JetBlue. It worked, but as the company has grown the company has used this as a bargaining chip against the pilot group.

This is the time and the conversation to rebuild the DR. But to do this, the company will have to make considerable increases to pilot wages and not ask for changes or givebacks in other areas. This is the "Tipping Point" of the DR. If the company does not make a good faith step towards the PVC's data and points, it will be the beginning of an organized labor force and CBA.
Rebuild the DR? Seriously? ELT sincerity? Wow, you are gullible!
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:04 AM
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Rebuild the DR? Seriously? ELT sincerity? Wow, you are gullible!

P-3 i think you know its already over. Its just a matter of admitting it to yourself now.

Time to send in your cards. Get them in now and ask everyone you fly with to send one in as well.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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If you ever took the time to read the Ford and Harrison document this would sound familiar. Continuously repeat the message. Continuously repeat the message. The content isn't necessarily important however the frequency is.
Hey, that's the same strategy you use!
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate View Post
And as rapacious vultures do as they do I don't pat them on the back for it.

You continue to support YOUR management as we continue to fall further and further down the hole.
I don't support your management.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:50 AM
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Tell us how things work at the Blujet. You've been here two weeks and you think you have it all figured out. Last I checked they already lowered the divisors, reduced open time, play games with open time, created secondary lines, and do whatever they want this group. The game is rigged and the deck is stacked but you and your Bluebelle buddies refuse to open your eyes.

This PAR committee is the latest game. We can talk about pay and benefits but in the end the biggest problem is a lack of process for pay and compensation as well as disciplinary action. Wake up guys, don't let yourself be duped one more day.
So you are already complaining about low bid divisors and lack of premium pay. Yet you think adding additional pilots to staff the busy months for extra summer vacations won't result in even LOWER bid divisors in the slow months?
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:26 AM
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So you are already complaining about low bid divisors and lack of premium pay. Yet you think adding additional pilots to staff the busy months for extra summer vacations won't result in even LOWER bid divisors in the slow months?
You brought it up. I fly my schedule and go home. In 11 years I have never bid max and one time I accidentally hit 100 hours. With your juniority you will never see summer vacation.
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 View Post
P-3 i think you know its already over. Its just a matter of admitting it to yourself now.

Time to send in your cards. Get them in now and ask everyone you fly with to send one in as well.
P3 is lost. He's a wet dream for JetBlue management. He's been taken hook, line, and sinker. There are acceptable casualties, he's one of them. He'll get it one day.
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