Tracking Regional Outsourcing
06-24-2013, 11:05 AM
#21
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Number of flights does matter. I commute to Tokyo every month and fly United from ATL. With the merger United flies from ATL to IAH, DEN, ORD, CLE, EWR, and IAD. None of those cities are considered small markets and everyone is over 300 miles. Most of the year United has one mainline flight to ORD and occasionally one to EWR. The rest are outsourced. It was not too long ago that most of those flights were operated by mainline.
06-24-2013, 11:20 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by MachJ
I understand your point; however, when looking at the probability that a customer will buy a ticket on Delta and then get on an outsourced flight you have to divide by the number of flights not block hours.
It does not matter. We (Delta) and all the other majors suck by any possible measure when it comes to outsourcing.
Where do you lay the blame?
On the RLA as DALPA insists?
With ALPA (DALPA) as the DPA insists?
With Mainline Pilots as some RJ drivers suggest?
With RJ Pilots as some Mainline Pilots suggest?
Was it inevitable post deregulation in a free market?
Or perhaps, is there enough blame to spread around?
Scoop
06-24-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
It does not matter. We (Delta) and all the other majors suck by any possible measure when it comes to outsourcing.
Where do you lay the blame?
On the RLA as DALPA insists?
With ALPA (DALPA) as the DPA insists?
With Mainline Pilots as some RJ drivers suggest?
With RJ Pilots as some Mainline Pilots suggest?
Was it inevitable post deregulation in a free market?
Or perhaps, is there enough blame to spread around?
Scoop
Where do you lay the blame?
On the RLA as DALPA insists?
With ALPA (DALPA) as the DPA insists?
With Mainline Pilots as some RJ drivers suggest?
With RJ Pilots as some Mainline Pilots suggest?
Was it inevitable post deregulation in a free market?
Or perhaps, is there enough blame to spread around?
Scoop
Unions should be doing more to spread awareness on this issue.
06-24-2013, 11:54 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by flybywire44
The solution is me and all of you calling our union to say ***?
Unions should be doing more to spread awareness on this issue.
Unions should be doing more to spread awareness on this issue.
You would be wrong.
Lee Moak has never signed a contract that didn't relax scope.
06-24-2013, 11:56 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
You assume the union is opposed to outsourcing.
You would be wrong.
Lee Moak has never signed a contract that didn't relax scope.
You would be wrong.
Lee Moak has never signed a contract that didn't relax scope.
06-24-2013, 12:01 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by fatsopilot
The Union doesn't have a position on scope or the RLA or a national seniority list. Ask anyone, start writing emails, write your reps, write National and see what they say.
Oh, wait....
06-24-2013, 01:01 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206:1433784
1Q 2013 DAL report:
Consolidated ASMs- 53,022,000
Mainline ASMs- 46,202,000
Regional ASMs- 6,820,000
So 12.8% of the Delta system ASMs are done by 3rd party carriers. Still far too much in my opinion.
Consolidated ASMs- 53,022,000
Mainline ASMs- 46,202,000
Regional ASMs- 6,820,000
So 12.8% of the Delta system ASMs are done by 3rd party carriers. Still far too much in my opinion.
Anybody have regional vs mainline block hour data?
06-24-2013, 01:03 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Thanks. Regionals operate more flights for mainline than mainline yet roughly(many pax fly both on one trip) Delta pax have a 12.8% chance of getting on a regional. And it's only going to get smaller with the 88 717s joining mainline and hundreds of 50 seaters on the way out.
Anybody have regional vs mainline block hour data?
Anybody have regional vs mainline block hour data?
06-24-2013, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
It does not matter. We (Delta) and all the other majors suck by any possible measure when it comes to outsourcing.
Where do you lay the blame?
On the RLA as DALPA insists?
With ALPA (DALPA) as the DPA insists?
With Mainline Pilots as some RJ drivers suggest?
With RJ Pilots as some Mainline Pilots suggest?
Was it inevitable post deregulation in a free market?
Or perhaps, is there enough blame to spread around?
Scoop
Where do you lay the blame?
On the RLA as DALPA insists?
With ALPA (DALPA) as the DPA insists?
With Mainline Pilots as some RJ drivers suggest?
With RJ Pilots as some Mainline Pilots suggest?
Was it inevitable post deregulation in a free market?
Or perhaps, is there enough blame to spread around?
Scoop
So the loss of mainline jobs ONLY, is on mainline pilots, and the crappy job conditions at the regionals are the fault of regional pilots.
