Tracking Regional Outsourcing
06-26-2013 | 02:47 PM
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06-26-2013 | 04:21 PM
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06-26-2013 | 04:30 PM
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06-26-2013 | 06:58 PM
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I wish we could just move all the RJ's over to mainline. Yeah yeah yeah, preaching to the choir. I know. And I know I would be out of a job, but better for everybody in the long run
06-26-2013 | 09:32 PM
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The problem is that every time this comes up for a vote mainline keeps giving this stuff up for small incremental increases that ultimately get eroded in bankruptcy. You really want a change; take all the flying back, turbo-props included. Swallow the pill and get a national seniority list with standardized pay scales and benefits. Get it in your contract that no flying can be done by pilots not part of what ever union you decide on. Lastly stop pointing the finger at each-others pilot groups as the problem. While you argue and blame each others industry as the problem management laughs all the way to the bank with your pensions, pay, and general quality of life. Ask yourself how many bonus's have handsomely retired your CEO's while you bicker.
06-27-2013 | 06:17 AM
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shiz- notice how the company has drawn down the 50 seaters earlier than required by the contract and has shown intention to operate 76 seaters at below the maximum amount.
We got meager pay increases and gave workrules concessions in exchange for allowing the company to do what it wanted to do anyways. How is that in any way a victory?
We got meager pay increases and gave workrules concessions in exchange for allowing the company to do what it wanted to do anyways. How is that in any way a victory?
If a Company pays you for 70 widgets and then realizes they only need 40 widgets, AND have to pay you for the 30 widgets they don't want even if they never use them; Who got the better end of the deal?
That means you believe that the Delta Pilots had NO LEVERAGE.
The Company then gave away over $1.5 BILLION to their pilots over the next 3.5 and they didn't have to, WHAT?
As a shareholder, I'm furious! AMR, UAL, CAL and LCC each made their pilots negotiate for YEARS without new deals, saving their Corps. hundreds of millions, if not BILLIONS of dollars, money that could be used to make my stock worth more...
06-27-2013 | 06:38 AM
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Lets keep in mind that ALPA cannot negotiate any scope changes that will drastically hurt ALPA regional airlines. Absolutely incorrect. Show me what ALPA RJ group has seen a benefit from the improved DAL scope clause. Lee Moak signed the DAL PWA. So make no mistake when I tell you that ALPA National represents regional airlines and through that representation regional ALPA carriers have influence in Delta's scope negotiations. WRONG. You need to contact your rep, whoever has told you that regional pilot groups can limit mainline scope either doesn't understand or is lying to you.
Delta would have done anything to get rid of the 50 seaters. *I agree, they got desperate last spring. They would have done to their other regionals what they did to Comair and Mesa—The 50 seats would have gone away anyway. Yes, and it would have taken the next decade to do it. CAL was ready to hold the line, but AMR's Bankruptcy and US Airways's weak union leadership presented liability. Yep, all airline pilots are impacted by the weakness of "independent unions"
Delta would have done anything to get rid of the 50 seaters. *I agree, they got desperate last spring. They would have done to their other regionals what they did to Comair and Mesa—The 50 seats would have gone away anyway. Yes, and it would have taken the next decade to do it. CAL was ready to hold the line, but AMR's Bankruptcy and US Airways's weak union leadership presented liability. Yep, all airline pilots are impacted by the weakness of "independent unions"
