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Originally Posted by porqueno (Post 1464465)

can someone please explain Jetblues non compete clause to me? thank you

Didn't know we had one. Of course that doesn't mean we don't have one!

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Originally Posted by porqueno (Post 1464465)

can someone please explain Jetblues non compete clause to me? thank you

Not worth the paper it's written on. Feel free to move on to a real major airline.

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Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 1464419)

It's dangerous to say more seats should mean more pay. My previous airline believed this and was successful in taking one seat out of the plane to give us much less pay than rightfully deserved. Thinking seats are tied to pay would mean it would be ok to fly a 777 for regional wages if they only have 76 seats installed. How would we be able to come up with pay for cargo companies. Banded pay rates are important ( ie small narrow body, heavy, etc.)

Fair enough.....banded rates are fine.

The bigger picture is having a CBA would give you the opportunity to negotiate rates on everything you fly. Currently, you take what they give and have zero say in how that goes down.

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Originally Posted by porqueno (Post 1464465)

can someone please explain Jetblues non compete clause to me? thank you

All it means is that you can't go through JB training, then quit and use that training for another carrier. Basically meaningless if you get on with another carrier because you are going to go through their training program and learn the way they want you to fly the aircraft.

It is conceivable that they could go after a body for their "costs" associated with training him. Not a "given" that JB and its' "no compete" would prevail, but I'd wager few have the resources to fight back IF JB went after you.

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Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1464587)

Not worth the paper it's written on. Feel free to move on to a real major airline.

Why don't you move on you're a bigger problem than management or the pea's. don't be a hypocrite quit at once its the only thing someone as high and mighty as you could do!!!

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Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 1464816)

Why don't you move on you're a bigger problem than management or the pea's. don't be a hypocrite quit at once its the only thing someone as high and mighty as you could do!!!

Apps are in. Enjoy your 26 page PEA vs 400-500 page contracts.

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Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1464321)

Could you get it through your pea brain that my and others insistence on higher pay for the 321 is because of our substandard compensation package? Good Lord you are narcissistic.

I see his point and agree. We'll have a hard time arguing the 321 should have an override since it's not common in the industry for it to pay differently than the 320. So rather than fight that uphill battle, fight the one we have better odds on: better pay and benefits on the 320, which will go along with the 321 pay.

I'm sure the ELT would much rather give us a 10% override, though. It looks better on the balance sheet since it'll only affect pay (no change in insurance costs or other benefits) and it will only affect a fraction of the pilot group without raising costs that much. If a 321 override means us rolling over on better pay on the 320 or insurance improvements,they'll jump on it and call it a bargain. We need to focus on improving the 320 stuff and just do what most of the rest of our peer group does by considering them one fleet type.

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Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1464321)

Could you get it through your pea brain that my and others insistence on higher pay for the 321 is because of our substandard compensation package? Good Lord you are narcissistic.

No, you could and should focus on improving the substandard compensation package, and not a pay rate for you only.