Oh and I am not picking on you southern but the argument you make....I am glad you see that you recognize our need to change our relationship with the ELT (I have decided a divorce is due) but I do not believe in house will work.

 

I think market forces will change some things for us in the short run however not to industry standard. Just enough to slow the bleed of pilots to an accptable loss. Without a CBA those things will be gone with the first hicup in the economy. I would like to see in house in the long run but unfortunatly IBT/ALPA has deep enough pockets to weather the initial onslot and get us thru the initial rough years. I would rather see an in house like SWAPA but our management does not embrace a union(or the fixed cost perspective that a union can offer) the way SW management did in their begining years. Hence the first org that offfers a CBA/representation has my vote. I appreciate your difference in perspective but I care more about some level of representation and a CBA than none at all (even if it is ALPA).

 

Without a doubt pay and benefits are important but an even greater concern is protecting our careers. Only a CBA can provide us the necessary merger language. Only ALPA has the legal resources to enforce that language.
Barger himself will tell you we are a target. We have been in the past and will continue to be so in the future. In fact, the analyst were upset last year when Jetblue refused to accept AA's NDA request. This decision, in the end, becomes the Board of Directors. If the offer is significant enough then the airline will sell. Look at the current and planned infrastructure upgrades. Building terminals and lodges which other airlines will use.

 

First, I don't care what other people do, but if you're truly concern about your future as a pilot in this profession, you have to make sound decision.
Why would you turn down the job offer that give you pretty good future advancements and opportunities, with pretty good contract that is already in place with all benefits that jetBlue pilots can only dream of, and then stick to the company that has questionable future, no contract, and below average salary. There is something strange about it.
Another aspect of this whole "I turn down United offer" - Why would you go for reenterview if you did not plan to go there in the first place.
I believe he was just full of sh....t
JetBlue will continue hiring, young inexperienced FO from regionals with 1600 hours total, making $30/h, a d convincing them that making $70 is a lot of money on the bus, they will continue voting no for ALPA, and you'll continue trying to catch up with Legacies.
Remember, that in the past, it wasn't jetBlue who was paying good salaries: remember "shiny jet syndrome" http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/o...c_view/gid,24/.
It was jetBlue who was lowering the bar with pay and legacies were matching "industry" average until the collapse, then all of the sudden jetBlue strat looking pretty good with extra pay and other "work to death" incentives.
Good luck getting union, I just think I would rather go where union is already in place with good contract and movement possibilities, then wait and see approach.
Who knows, perhaps jetBlue will end up as a good place to be, but I can't waste any more time waiting, I have to act now when gates are wide open. Good luck.

 

You do seem to care which is what I don't understand.
And before you became a high and mighty United pilot( which EVERYONE dreams of) you were part of "lowering the bar"
I am glad you made it to where you wanted to go, how about you help the blue guys that want to go there and leave the ones who want to stay alone. Or just keep telling us that United is better and we will never amount to anything......looks like you fit right in.

 

So with all of this movement can new hires expect a line quickly?

 

Relatively yes.

 

If everyone does what they say they will you might be a Captain in a year. But yes you should get a line pretty quick.

 

He can't focus on anything else he has a miserable life and has to attack those that are not unhappy. Good luck jetlink you need it more than we do

 

Not everyone's perspective is the same. I have seen UAL hire until they layoff twice. In March 2008 I was almost a part of it. I can't leave a company that has never furloughed a pilot for that kind of hiring plan. Yes JB has a questionable future but so does this entire industry. Good luck to you as well.