Originally Posted by benzoate

This is almost not worth addressing. Just because we work for the same airline does not make us equal in all cases. What you fail to realize is your goal is to have my seniority and eventually you will. The benefits you receive at that point are based on what we negotiate now. You should not strive to fly the smallest aircraft with the least pay. You should strive to fly the aircraft with the most pay. The fact that an aircraft shares a type rating with another does not preclude it from making more or paying more.
I have a better schedule because I am more senior. We should negotiate a higher pay rate for an aircraft with 40 extra seats. We get paid less for flying an aircraft that has 50 less seats. We may eventually have as many 321's as we do 320's. None of us know.

STOP BUYING INTO FORD/HARRISON/JETBLUE SPIN.

The pay rates and benefits we negotiate now are what you will receive later in your career. Read the 10K reports when they come out. Jetblue is not in financial danger and the CASM gap is not closing as they suggest. Research the info on your own.

We are a brotherhood of pilots at jetblue but we are not all equal. Some are more junior, others more senior. Seniority should be rewarded.

Your argument for flying a larger aircraft for the same as a smaller is a management tactic. Why not fly the 190 for the same price as the 320?

Jetblue cherry picks "industry standard" to suit its needs. There is not a single item in your PEA or 5 documents that is industry standard.

It's simple. The aircraft makes more it should pay more. You deserve more.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Ah, the classic you'll be senior too someday argument.... which is not factually accurate. Many of you guys who came to JB early will be senior airbus captains for 20-30 years, not because you where amazing, but often because you were the guys that real airlines wouldn't take. I have seen some of the top 200 guys here, what a bunch of sleazeballs. I have flown with many captains who will retire without breaking 500-800 on the list, and although I will break 200, it will not be till the final few years of my career. Many/ most of us will not be "senior" for long, if EVER.

But frankly, that doesn't matter and is not my point. Looking across the industry and looking at all mainline fleet types, it is simply NOT standard to pay more for a stretched identical type. Even if it was, it is WAY down on the list of things we need to fix. Things that we ALL need to benefit from.

It is simply WRONG and entirely transparent why you prioritize a 321 payrate above so much else....

If the company did buy 319s years ago, you would have DEMANDED that you have single pay rate. Hypocrit.

Originally Posted by benzoate

Sorry that breaking 200 isnt senior enough for you. By your logic lets pay the 190 and 321 the same then.

There isnt a single contractual benefit that we have that is industry standard but you think the 321 should pay the same as the 320 because management told you so. Ok, sorry I don't agree.

The aircraft will have 40 more seats similar to the 190 having 50 less seats. Should we buy 319's then their seating capacity should reflect the pay. That's not hypocritical, thats economics.

The trips I bid will not include the 321. I could care less if I ever fly it. The 330 Dave keeps telling you are in the works won't affect me either as I'll never bid the aircraft but none of that matters because I'll still fight for a larger aircraft paying more money. Again, economics.

Your suggestion that we should use that money to fix other issues is, well, naive. Until the blue juicers, like that idiot southerner, vote in a union none of this matters. We'll continue down this path of you and others repeating managements rhetoric as gospel.

Originally Posted by Southerner

I'm not a juicer. I just think you, and the hyper aggressive types like you, are blow-hard thugs.

I only hope that if we get a union, none of you morons are able to get any positions in the union.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Pathetic. Why don't you stop the next Alaska and Southwest pilots you see and tell them their contract is crap because they fly the 700-800-900 for the same pay rate.

As for not having the rest of their contract, THAT is where my priorities are.

If wanting the rest of our contract to look more like SW and AK makes me a management talking point regurgitator, then so be it. I would rather be that than a guy who wants to feather his own senior bed over and above improvements for all.

Originally Posted by Southerner

You're asking for something not industry standard. I agree with the others on here. Work for the things that are below industry standard. You can't have it both ways. If we ask for standard, we must accept the parts that aren't as good, such as the fact that the 321 and 320 are typically paid the same.

You're not that bright, are you?