Jetblue movement...
08-21-2013 | 04:41 AM
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Jetblue movement...
I'm allowed to vote as I see fit, as are you.
08-21-2013 | 05:22 AM
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Though it may be in my individual and immediate best interest to vote yes to ALPA, I cannot in good conscience vote yes to them. I am philosophically opposed to them. Period. They exist merely as another level of manipulative politics whose primary goal is to get our dues. Secondary to that are the interests of their whole membership, not the interests of JetBlue. So long as the interests of JetBlue and their membership as a whole align, we won't see many problems, but eventually those interests may not align. Since we are the smaller group, we will be screwed for the "common good."
Sure, we might see some immediate gains, but I would rather have status quo than invite them on property. I'll wait for an in-house vote. Until then, I'm a solid and resounding NO.
Sure, we might see some immediate gains, but I would rather have status quo than invite them on property. I'll wait for an in-house vote. Until then, I'm a solid and resounding NO.
Wow. It's a good thing JB hired you. You'd better pray the company doesn't get acquired or get into serious trouble. Where would you work given that most carriers are ALPA?
By the way, you still couldn't answer my question as to what utility you are gaining from NOT having a CBA under ALPA.
Your peers are compensated much higher than you and so the dues you speak of are totally insignificant. I'm talking basic economics here.
Your EMPLOYER is demanding you work at a 30% discount and offers zero protections. Yet, you are more concerned with paying ALPA less than 2%???
Dude, seriously???
More is better. It's not complicated!
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08-21-2013 | 05:41 AM
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Jetblue movement...
I'm okay with ALPA if I go to a place that already has them, and I'm okay if they get voted in here. I'll go with the flow, but I have to vote my conscience.
Is that so hard to understand?
Is that so hard to understand?
08-21-2013 | 05:57 AM
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What's the status of current drive? Any vote in sight?
08-21-2013 | 06:48 AM
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You are not understanding my question Bro.
I'm asking you a question about economics.
What utility (benefit) are you enjoying as a result of your direct relationship that your ALPA peers are having to forego?
JJ
08-21-2013 | 07:03 AM
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You are so dishonest. If the 321 pays more, the pairings will be analyzed, bid and awarded in seniority order, just like 24 hour Aruba overnights. Are 24 hour Aruba overnights evenly distributed amongst the pilots? You are so dishonest and manipulating. And we are supposed to trust you?
As far as trying to improve pilots pay, you are trying to improve SOME pilots pay, while distracting energy, time and FOCUS away from improving our overall pay and benefits by pursuing an industry nonstandard pay rate for a minority of airbus pilots.
As far as trying to improve pilots pay, you are trying to improve SOME pilots pay, while distracting energy, time and FOCUS away from improving our overall pay and benefits by pursuing an industry nonstandard pay rate for a minority of airbus pilots.
What you don't understand (and I'm not picking on you) is how scheduling works at Jetblue. At a real airline your point may be valid but here not at all.
Schedules at jetblue are created through a pairing optimizer. The data that is input by the scheduling committee is strictly controlled to lower costs or by their terms most efficient. The routing of the aircraft is wholly controlled by the marketing department. There is no input from flight ops on when, where or how an aircraft is routed. In fact, the scheduling committee no longer has the ability to force flying into the co-bases. By doing so they would negatively affect CASM. Taking it a step further Jetblue is forcing more flying to reserves in order to reduce line pilot flying. Please email the scheduling committee if you would like.
Back to my original point there is no reason why a larger aircraft shouldn't pay more if a smaller aircraft pays less.
08-21-2013 | 07:47 AM
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Dude. You aren't getting it. This decision is not an economic one for me. I am opposed to ALPA on principle.
08-21-2013 | 09:16 AM
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We all get it! We just don't understand your dislike for making more money and having industry standard comp & benifits because of your principles (which I am afraid to even try to understand). I don't know about you but I Like money!!! The DR is a one way street, would you vote for IBT(teamsters) or are you totally anti representation. Saying you would vote for an in house is a vote against representation as an in house would most likely not be able to weather the initial contract negotiations.
08-21-2013 | 09:20 AM
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Dishonest? No.
What you don't understand (and I'm not picking on you) is how scheduling works at Jetblue. At a real airline your point may be valid but here not at all.
Schedules at jetblue are created through a pairing optimizer. The data that is input by the scheduling committee is strictly controlled to lower costs or by their terms most efficient. The routing of the aircraft is wholly controlled by the marketing department. There is no input from flight ops on when, where or how an aircraft is routed. In fact, the scheduling committee no longer has the ability to force flying into the co-bases. By doing so they would negatively affect CASM. Taking it a step further Jetblue is forcing more flying to reserves in order to reduce line pilot flying. Please email the scheduling committee if you would like.
Back to my original point there is no reason why a larger aircraft shouldn't pay more if a smaller aircraft pays less.
What you don't understand (and I'm not picking on you) is how scheduling works at Jetblue. At a real airline your point may be valid but here not at all.
Schedules at jetblue are created through a pairing optimizer. The data that is input by the scheduling committee is strictly controlled to lower costs or by their terms most efficient. The routing of the aircraft is wholly controlled by the marketing department. There is no input from flight ops on when, where or how an aircraft is routed. In fact, the scheduling committee no longer has the ability to force flying into the co-bases. By doing so they would negatively affect CASM. Taking it a step further Jetblue is forcing more flying to reserves in order to reduce line pilot flying. Please email the scheduling committee if you would like.
Back to my original point there is no reason why a larger aircraft shouldn't pay more if a smaller aircraft pays less.
As far as a larger aircraft, the A320 is 50% larger than the E190. The A321 is 26% larger than the A320. So, by that metric alone, I guess you could ask for a 5% override to fly the A321, but frankly we have WAY bigger fish to fry than a 5% override for a small percentage of pilots. If anything, I would rather see an increase to ALL A320 pay rates because of the increase revenue from the 321, but EVEN THEN, WE HAVE MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO FIX IN OUR PAY AND BENEFITS PACKAGE THAN THAT.
Furthermore, our "smaller" aircraft that pays less is a completely different type, while our "larger" aircraft that you want more money for is a common type of A320, just stretched. That, in our industry, IS an important distinction. As I have said before, please tell every Alaska and Southwest pilot you see that their contract is CRAP because they don't pay more for the 800-900.....
You sir, are a dishonest, manipulative featherbedding fool. It is so transparent and obvious.
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