Industry standard is just that, industry standard. At Jetblue we pay more for a 190, not industry standard. At Jetblue, management points out that a 321 paying more is NOT industry standard. Convenience is the the key to industry standard for Jetblue. At Jetblue management lies about what vacation, pay, insurance and retirement is industry standard.

According to Jetblue:

Vacation IS industry standard but then it also CAN'T be industry standard because of scheduling practices. Pay is industry standard but then again Jetblue can't pay industry standard because of decreasing CASM. Meanwhile CASM is 28% according to the DOT and a full 18% higher than what Jetblue management claims. Insurance rates are increasing because of Obamacare even though Jetblue made it very clear during open enrollment in 2012 that the decision to gut the insurance was not affected by Obamacare but rather un-sustainability of providing industry standard health care for a self insured airline. Oh yeah, retirement is industry standard provided you put in a minimum 5% on your own.
Meanwhile the broken union/legacy models from Alaska to Delta have all the above and more AND a higher stock price, profit sharing, on time percentages. We have culture, free pizza and the DR.

 

Other than a rant, I'm not sure where you're going here. Do we want industry standard or do we NOT want industry standard? You've utterly confused me with your post.

Paying an override for the 321 is not something most other airlines do. So why are we even discussing it when we can't even get things those airlines already have? Going after an override on the 321 is a complete waste of whatever "negotiating" captial we have. As I said earlier, I'm sure Dave and the boys would love to be contrarian and give us the override at the expense of other industry standard practices such as insurance or retirement.

Also, I'm not a fan of saying we're different because we pay our 190 guys more than US Airways does. Just becuase it's made by Embraer doesn't mean it's a regional jet. It's more on par with routes flown by MD88s and DC9s, and that's what we should stick to rather than comparing it to other 190 operators (both of them). US Airways doesn't pay their Airbus guys what we do, but no one brings that up at every opportunity.....

 

Blah, blah, blah. F*^%*G fight to fix everything you just said, not for a non-standard pay policy for a minority of Airbus pilots. Is it that F(^*%(G complicated? Focus, like a laser, on reducing our gap of total compensation between us and our peers. Instead, you guys are focusing on CREATING a gap between some JB pilots and the rest of the JB pilots, even though there is NO clear industry standard for doing so. Get your F(^%E#G priorities straight dude.

So much for the "brotherhood" of a union or those who want to run it or determine its priorities...

 

Someone gets it. Bravo.

 

The point is if its beneficial to the airline then industry standard is the way. Our "culture and integrity" make those decisions easy.

If it is beneficial to the pilot group then there is always an excuse for why industry standard is unattainable.

As for USair the contract had a "snap back" provision which has been delayed by the SLI. If Jetblue wants to use their numbers that fine with me. Overall their benefits are still better now and will be so in the future.

 

Okay, that I can see. Sadly, I can't disagree with it, either.

 

I thought this thread was a different kind of movement at JB.... oops!

 

That movement, sadly, has begun. To the extent to which it continues remains to be seen.

 

Spirit pays an override for the 321. It's based on block hours flown by the 321 fleet (currently only 2 but will be near 30) and then divided up among all the airbus pilots (currently everyone). Maybe that's something that would prevent a rift amongst the pilots. Everyone benefits.

 

This is almost not worth addressing. Just because we work for the same airline does not make us equal in all cases. What you fail to realize is your goal is to have my seniority and eventually you will. The benefits you receive at that point are based on what we negotiate now. You should not strive to fly the smallest aircraft with the least pay. You should strive to fly the aircraft with the most pay. The fact that an aircraft shares a type rating with another does not preclude it from making more or paying more.
I have a better schedule because I am more senior. We should negotiate a higher pay rate for an aircraft with 40 extra seats. We get paid less for flying an aircraft that has 50 less seats. We may eventually have as many 321's as we do 320's. None of us know.

STOP BUYING INTO FORD/HARRISON/JETBLUE SPIN.

The pay rates and benefits we negotiate now are what you will receive later in your career. Read the 10K reports when they come out. Jetblue is not in financial danger and the CASM gap is not closing as they suggest. Research the info on your own.

We are a brotherhood of pilots at jetblue but we are not all equal. Some are more junior, others more senior. Seniority should be rewarded.

Your argument for flying a larger aircraft for the same as a smaller is a management tactic. Why not fly the 190 for the same price as the 320?

Jetblue cherry picks "industry standard" to suit its needs. There is not a single item in your PEA or 5 documents that is industry standard.

It's simple. The aircraft makes more it should pay more. You deserve more.