We disagree. In the end there is NO negotiation for anything. Take it or leave it, that's how the DR works.

 

Would you sign a PEA that had industry average E190 pay and industry average A320 pay? Meaning a paycut for you and a raise for everyone else.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if jetblue does something like this.

 

We agree on that. So, with that understanding, you aren't getting a 321 rate anyway...

If your plan is to get a 321 rate via a union, then I have a problem with that. A union gives us a means for getting improvements in all the OTHER areas you mentioned. Things that benefit ALL JB pilots. That is what we should prioritize with a union, not getting a payrate that is against industry norms and benefits a small minority of pilots.

 

So you prioritize an A321 payrate over and above better pay, benefits, retirement, work rules, etc (for all JB pilots)?

The E190 in a JB context is a small narrowbody mainline jet. No different than using Southwest and Alaska airlines 737 rates in our A320 pay review. I don't think you want to take them out do you? By the way, do they pay more for a 737-800 or 737-900?

 

By the way, I GUARANTEE tx, benz, and a bunch of others would surely sign that PEA in a heart beat. Would you?

 

Probably not, I'd like to bid E190 CA at some point

 

I don't prioritize A321 pay. I'm asking if you would support an E190 paycut in exchange for better retirement, health care, work rules, etc considering the E190 pays more than other E190 operators.

 

I honestly don't care about an override for the 321. I would like prefer a good rate for both. No need to complicate things.

 

Where do we get this idea that the 190 deserves a pay cut to be industry standard. A little bit of history the 190 pay scales in their current form was part of the failed jbpa union drive. The PVC created the comp and benefits committe. Comp and benefit had one job. Get industry average pay and benefits. Now at the time the company was motivated to get this done. They were will to agree to almost anything. So comp and benefits spent 8-12 weeks look at the pcrb report from a year earlier. They determined that industry average pay for the 320 was comparable to a 737 or 320 at carriers that JetBlue pilots would considered to be a destination carrier. (09 pay rates from dal, nwa, cal, Ual, lcc (east and west).). They also determined that an airplane with 50 less seats was 12-15% less then then in our case a 150 seater. So if they want to give the 190 a pay cut while sticking with industry average for the 320 then the 320 deserves 14.1% under the most generous terms for the company and the 190 would get 9.1% raise under the most generous terms.

Please DO NOT listen to Rob Mausters talking points. Just because republic and Usair pay rates are low does not mean that this aircraft is any less worth it then a DC-9 or 717.

Please excuse theany of grammar mistakes the cell phone is impossible to write on

 

I tried to address E190 pay in the last post. A pay rate for the E190 as a stand alone aircraft is hard because only one other major flies it, it was a crappy BK US Air. AA negotiated a rate for it, but they don't have any and didn't expend any negotiating capital to bring up a rate for an aircraft they don't have. And of course there is a regional that operates that aircraft. But, like I said, in the context of JB, it is a small narrowbody MAINLINE aircraft. If is similar in weight, capacity and range to a DC9-10 and a 717.

So, just as the 737 rates are included in our A320 pay review, DC9 and 717 rates should be considered in the context of our E190. They may be slightly larger, but they are close, and they are small narrowbody MAINLINE aircraft, just the same as our JB E190.