Jetblue movement...
08-26-2013 | 11:08 AM
#301
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08-26-2013 | 12:08 PM
#302
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Let Mgmt worry about growth. You just need to perform your job to the best of your abilities and be compensated at the going rate for it.
JJ
08-26-2013 | 06:00 PM
#303
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If you actually took the time to listen to the Q2 investor call, you would know that JB changed it's guidance for growth in the 2nd half of 2013, reducing growth. When asked directly from one of the institutional investors why, the company said because of increased MX EXPENSES.
Higher expenses decrease the company's ABILITY to fund growth. That is unless you still believe that costs don't matter at all, because right under Barger's desk is a F###### money tree... for someone who claims to understand business finances, you missed the chapter on financial resources being scarce, and by definition limited.
Telling me costs don't matter is like telling me that weight doesn't matter when overloading a jet. The laws that you violate in both instances are just as concrete. But if you want to play Mr. Big Finance Expert, please start an airline and pay the pilots 2000.00 an hour, hell, make it 50000.00 per hour since costs don't matter at all (your words).
As far as building an airline, I want to maximize my pay and QOL, and the best way I can do that is through seniority progression, not a pay raise that dramatically slows growth. You know, the same way YOU got YOUR seniority. But hey, now that you have a notable amount of seniority, YOU don't care if growth slows or stops, you don't need it (anymore)...
As far as leaving management to worry about growth, I (we) suffer the primary consequences of slow growth, so yeah, I will damn well worry about it. You are a lying and self serving piece of human garbage when you manipulate the simpletons into believing that costs don't matter and company money is unlimited, pretending you actually know about corporate finances. Totally shameful.
Lamborginis for every pilot, money is free!!!!
08-26-2013 | 06:04 PM
#304
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08-26-2013 | 06:22 PM
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Wow, is that what you read in your Embry Riddle Business Statistics text book. Pathetic.
If you actually took the time to listen to the Q2 investor call, you would know that JB changed it's guidance for growth in the 2nd half of 2013, reducing growth. When asked directly from one of the institutional investors why, the company said because of increased MX EXPENSES.
Higher expenses decrease the company's ABILITY to fund growth. That is unless you still believe that costs don't matter at all, because right under Barger's desk is a F###### money tree... for someone who claims to understand business finances, you missed the chapter on financial resources being scarce, and by definition limited.
Telling me costs don't matter is like telling me that weight doesn't matter when overloading a jet. The laws that you violate in both instances are just as concrete. But if you want to play Mr. Big Finance Expert, please start an airline and pay the pilots 2000.00 an hour, hell, make it 50000.00 per hour since costs don't matter at all (your words).
As far as building an airline, I want to maximize my pay and QOL, and the best way I can do that is through seniority progression, not a pay raise that dramatically slows growth. You know, the same way YOU got YOUR seniority. But hey, now that you have a notable amount of seniority, YOU don't care if growth slows or stops, you don't need it (anymore)...
As far as leaving management to worry about growth, I (we) suffer the primary consequences of slow growth, so yeah, I will damn well worry about it. You are a lying and self serving piece of human garbage when you manipulate the simpletons into believing that costs don't matter and company money is unlimited, pretending you actually know about corporate finances. Totally shameful.
Lamborginis for every pilot, money is free!!!!
If you actually took the time to listen to the Q2 investor call, you would know that JB changed it's guidance for growth in the 2nd half of 2013, reducing growth. When asked directly from one of the institutional investors why, the company said because of increased MX EXPENSES.
Higher expenses decrease the company's ABILITY to fund growth. That is unless you still believe that costs don't matter at all, because right under Barger's desk is a F###### money tree... for someone who claims to understand business finances, you missed the chapter on financial resources being scarce, and by definition limited.
Telling me costs don't matter is like telling me that weight doesn't matter when overloading a jet. The laws that you violate in both instances are just as concrete. But if you want to play Mr. Big Finance Expert, please start an airline and pay the pilots 2000.00 an hour, hell, make it 50000.00 per hour since costs don't matter at all (your words).
As far as building an airline, I want to maximize my pay and QOL, and the best way I can do that is through seniority progression, not a pay raise that dramatically slows growth. You know, the same way YOU got YOUR seniority. But hey, now that you have a notable amount of seniority, YOU don't care if growth slows or stops, you don't need it (anymore)...
As far as leaving management to worry about growth, I (we) suffer the primary consequences of slow growth, so yeah, I will damn well worry about it. You are a lying and self serving piece of human garbage when you manipulate the simpletons into believing that costs don't matter and company money is unlimited, pretending you actually know about corporate finances. Totally shameful.
Lamborginis for every pilot, money is free!!!!
At what point would you personally want to push hard for an industry standard package? When JB has 300 A/C? 400? 500? When you get to 5000 pilots? 8000? Or some measure of profit be it dollar amount or percentage. IOW, how much would JB need to grow to meet your criteria? 'Til you make bus Captain?
And when that trigger is hit, what about the guys below you who want more growth, but you are tired of waiting because you've already been waiting 5,10,15 years?
08-26-2013 | 06:25 PM
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" you just ask me which rope to pull next time...eh chiefy" Love the avatar Quint.
08-26-2013 | 06:49 PM
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'preciate it. I personally would've picked some different ones but still, pretty good. Enjoy:
08-26-2013 | 06:56 PM
#308
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Wow, is that what you read in your Embry Riddle Business Statistics text book. Pathetic.
If you actually took the time to listen to the Q2 investor call, you would know that JB changed it's guidance for growth in the 2nd half of 2013, reducing growth. When asked directly from one of the institutional investors why, the company said because of increased MX EXPENSES.
Higher expenses decrease the company's ABILITY to fund growth. That is unless you still believe that costs don't matter at all, because right under Barger's desk is a F###### money tree... for someone who claims to understand business finances, you missed the chapter on financial resources being scarce, and by definition limited.
Telling me costs don't matter is like telling me that weight doesn't matter when overloading a jet. The laws that you violate in both instances are just as concrete. But if you want to play Mr. Big Finance Expert, please start an airline and pay the pilots 2000.00 an hour, hell, make it 50000.00 per hour since costs don't matter at all (your words).
As far as building an airline, I want to maximize my pay and QOL, and the best way I can do that is through seniority progression, not a pay raise that dramatically slows growth. You know, the same way YOU got YOUR seniority. But hey, now that you have a notable amount of seniority, YOU don't care if growth slows or stops, you don't need it (anymore)...
As far as leaving management to worry about growth, I (we) suffer the primary consequences of slow growth, so yeah, I will damn well worry about it. You are a lying and self serving piece of human garbage when you manipulate the simpletons into believing that costs don't matter and company money is unlimited, pretending you actually know about corporate finances. Totally shameful.
Lamborginis for every pilot, money is free!!!!
If you actually took the time to listen to the Q2 investor call, you would know that JB changed it's guidance for growth in the 2nd half of 2013, reducing growth. When asked directly from one of the institutional investors why, the company said because of increased MX EXPENSES.
Higher expenses decrease the company's ABILITY to fund growth. That is unless you still believe that costs don't matter at all, because right under Barger's desk is a F###### money tree... for someone who claims to understand business finances, you missed the chapter on financial resources being scarce, and by definition limited.
Telling me costs don't matter is like telling me that weight doesn't matter when overloading a jet. The laws that you violate in both instances are just as concrete. But if you want to play Mr. Big Finance Expert, please start an airline and pay the pilots 2000.00 an hour, hell, make it 50000.00 per hour since costs don't matter at all (your words).
As far as building an airline, I want to maximize my pay and QOL, and the best way I can do that is through seniority progression, not a pay raise that dramatically slows growth. You know, the same way YOU got YOUR seniority. But hey, now that you have a notable amount of seniority, YOU don't care if growth slows or stops, you don't need it (anymore)...
As far as leaving management to worry about growth, I (we) suffer the primary consequences of slow growth, so yeah, I will damn well worry about it. You are a lying and self serving piece of human garbage when you manipulate the simpletons into believing that costs don't matter and company money is unlimited, pretending you actually know about corporate finances. Totally shameful.
Lamborginis for every pilot, money is free!!!!
Your very future at JetBlue is planned by your ELT around GDP, oil prices, and existing capacity! It's not planned around the compensation levels of 2500 Pilots among 15,000 employees. It's unfortunate this labor economics fact is lost on you.
GROWTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR COMPENSATION.
Stop being so naïve! Pay raises would NOT slow growth!
And, hurling childish insults from behind a computer screen makes YOU look bad!
JJ
Last edited by alvrb211; 08-26-2013 at 07:09 PM.
08-27-2013 | 03:09 AM
#309
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From: Airbus Capt
No dog in the fight Blue, but you've posted a few times along these lines, and I'm just curious....
At what point would you personally want to push hard for an industry standard package? When JB has 300 A/C? 400? 500? When you get to 5000 pilots? 8000? Or some measure of profit be it dollar amount or percentage. IOW, how much would JB need to grow to meet your criteria? 'Til you make bus Captain?
And when that trigger is hit, what about the guys below you who want more growth, but you are tired of waiting because you've already been waiting 5,10,15 years?
At what point would you personally want to push hard for an industry standard package? When JB has 300 A/C? 400? 500? When you get to 5000 pilots? 8000? Or some measure of profit be it dollar amount or percentage. IOW, how much would JB need to grow to meet your criteria? 'Til you make bus Captain?
And when that trigger is hit, what about the guys below you who want more growth, but you are tired of waiting because you've already been waiting 5,10,15 years?
08-27-2013 | 03:10 AM
#310
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From: Airbus Capt
Evidently, you have no faith in JetBlue as a viable Airline. Keep working at your discounted rate. It's not going to give you job security though!
Your very future at JetBlue is planned by your ELT around GDP, oil prices, and existing capacity! It's not planned around the compensation levels of 2500 Pilots among 15,000 employees. It's unfortunate this labor economics fact is lost on you.
GROWTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR COMPENSATION.
Stop being so naïve! Pay raises would NOT slow growth!
And, hurling childish insults from behind a computer screen makes YOU look bad!
JJ
Your very future at JetBlue is planned by your ELT around GDP, oil prices, and existing capacity! It's not planned around the compensation levels of 2500 Pilots among 15,000 employees. It's unfortunate this labor economics fact is lost on you.
GROWTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR COMPENSATION.
Stop being so naïve! Pay raises would NOT slow growth!
And, hurling childish insults from behind a computer screen makes YOU look bad!
JJ
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