Jetblue movement...
08-27-2013 | 01:46 PM
#341
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In terms of productivity, really?
Below AK and AT who negotiated better contracts?
JJ
08-27-2013 | 01:51 PM
#343
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From: Airbus Capt
You say you will explain (help me) how all "costs" are not actually costs, I guess implying once again that labor costs don't actually cost the company anything, or that the company has some special secret account with unlimited funds just for labor costs. But you didn't explain anything. Just another statement that you speak the truth, no proof or explanation or convincing logic, just a statement.
Should we pilots suffer because management didn't have a power by the hour MX agreement, no. But guess what, WE ALREADY ARE. Slower growth hurts my career, and they slowed growth because of the extra MX expenses. But, that was not the point, and you know it. You intentionally changed the subject away from why they slowed growth. It was not because the E90 needed more mx than planned, THEY SLOWED THE GROWTH BECAUSE THEIR COSTS (EXPENSES) WENT UP.
Airlines fund growth through free cash flow or debt. Free cash flow is revenue over and above ALL expenses. When your expenses go up, whatever the reason, you have less free cash flow to fund growth and other investments. You can try and raise revenue, but if it were that easy, ALL airlines would just simply turn the revenue dial up to max...
Ultimately, costs, no matter the source, MUST be paid, and the money to pay them is limited. Period.
Should we pilots suffer because management didn't have a power by the hour MX agreement, no. But guess what, WE ALREADY ARE. Slower growth hurts my career, and they slowed growth because of the extra MX expenses. But, that was not the point, and you know it. You intentionally changed the subject away from why they slowed growth. It was not because the E90 needed more mx than planned, THEY SLOWED THE GROWTH BECAUSE THEIR COSTS (EXPENSES) WENT UP.
Airlines fund growth through free cash flow or debt. Free cash flow is revenue over and above ALL expenses. When your expenses go up, whatever the reason, you have less free cash flow to fund growth and other investments. You can try and raise revenue, but if it were that easy, ALL airlines would just simply turn the revenue dial up to max...
Ultimately, costs, no matter the source, MUST be paid, and the money to pay them is limited. Period.
08-27-2013 | 01:53 PM
#344
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The same company that just made more money in ONE month than we have made in 5 years. Way to go.
08-27-2013 | 03:14 PM
#345
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What are afraid of losing? Your 7-10 year upgrade?
08-27-2013 | 03:18 PM
#346
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While we are all screwed, having representation has its benefits...
As mentioned, benefits alone... after 5 years of medical premiums, with the difference I get a new car. plus 16% of hourly rate in my retirement.....
08-27-2013 | 04:11 PM
#347
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And yes, why would I want my 7-10 year upgrade to be a 15-18 year upgrade????
08-27-2013 | 04:31 PM
#348
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I like Transcons best.... 5 hours to de-program the blue juicers....
While we are all screwed, having representation has its benefits...
As mentioned, benefits alone... after 5 years of medical premiums, with the difference I get a new car. plus 16% of hourly rate in my retirement.....
While we are all screwed, having representation has its benefits...
As mentioned, benefits alone... after 5 years of medical premiums, with the difference I get a new car. plus 16% of hourly rate in my retirement.....
08-27-2013 | 05:31 PM
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You mentioned terminals and airplanes, both are growth related, and you mention them to prove that there is money for more compensation. However, you fail miserably with any attempt to demonstrate there is enough money for compensation improvements AND GROWTH.
And yes, why would I want my 7-10 year upgrade to be a 15-18 year upgrade????
And yes, why would I want my 7-10 year upgrade to be a 15-18 year upgrade????
So, in your mind, JB is a failed model. You are basically saying there's not enough money to compensate Pilots at the going rate with industry STANDARD benefits.
You are basically saying, JB can't meet the cost of doing business. And, you believe the writing would be on the wall if JB compensated Pilots fairly.
That's kinda sad!
Ever wonder how Airlines like AirTran and Alaska managed to turn profits quarter after quarter while compensating Pilots at a higher level than JB?
Nah. You probably haven't. Whatever MGMT tells you is what you believe!
You're such a great fit for JB.
JJ
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