Jetblue movement...
08-27-2013 | 06:36 PM
#351
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
I like Transcons best.... 5 hours to de-program the blue juicers....
While we are all screwed, having representation has its benefits...
As mentioned, benefits alone... after 5 years of medical premiums, with the difference I get a new car. plus 16% of hourly rate in my retirement.....
While we are all screwed, having representation has its benefits...
As mentioned, benefits alone... after 5 years of medical premiums, with the difference I get a new car. plus 16% of hourly rate in my retirement.....
Please help me get a job at your airline.
What was it like when your company was bk and what were the furloughed guys getting?
I would like a union as well but guys like you don't help the cause.
Things must be perfect at your airline since you have the time to come bash "blue clowns"
08-27-2013 | 06:41 PM
#352
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Joined: Oct 2012
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
So, in your mind, JB is a failed model. You are basically saying there's not enough money to compensate Pilots at the going rate with industry STANDARD benefits.
You are basically saying, JB can't meet the cost of doing business. And, you believe the writing would be on the wall if JB compensated Pilots fairly.
That's kinda sad!
Ever wonder how Airlines like AirTran and Alaska managed to turn profits quarter after quarter while compensating Pilots at a higher level than JB?
Nah. You probably haven't. Whatever MGMT tells you is what you believe!
You're such a great fit for JB.
JJ
You are basically saying, JB can't meet the cost of doing business. And, you believe the writing would be on the wall if JB compensated Pilots fairly.
That's kinda sad!
Ever wonder how Airlines like AirTran and Alaska managed to turn profits quarter after quarter while compensating Pilots at a higher level than JB?
Nah. You probably haven't. Whatever MGMT tells you is what you believe!
You're such a great fit for JB.
JJ
08-28-2013 | 04:59 AM
#356
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,935
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From: Airbus Capt
So, in your mind, JB is a failed model. You are basically saying there's not enough money to compensate Pilots at the going rate with industry STANDARD benefits.
You are basically saying, JB can't meet the cost of doing business. And, you believe the writing would be on the wall if JB compensated Pilots fairly.
That's kinda sad!
Ever wonder how Airlines like AirTran and Alaska managed to turn profits quarter after quarter while compensating Pilots at a higher level than JB?
Nah. You probably haven't. Whatever MGMT tells you is what you believe!
You're such a great fit for JB.
JJ
You are basically saying, JB can't meet the cost of doing business. And, you believe the writing would be on the wall if JB compensated Pilots fairly.
That's kinda sad!
Ever wonder how Airlines like AirTran and Alaska managed to turn profits quarter after quarter while compensating Pilots at a higher level than JB?
Nah. You probably haven't. Whatever MGMT tells you is what you believe!
You're such a great fit for JB.
JJ
JB has never fully "met the cost of doing business", not since the day you were hired, or before. Never have. That was good enough for you when you got hired and needed a bunch of seniority......
Alaska and Airtran have much more mature networks and revenue streams. They are also much slower growing. Growth is a punch-line among Alaska pilots, but hey, they have better pay and benefits. Its funny, when you were junior, you chose the high growth, lower pay model, but now......
And again, Alaska is more profitable, but they are NOT more profitable BECAUSE they pay better. They have a different network, different code share setup, regional monopolies and 80+ years of corporate and network maturaties. And better management.
You keep suggesting we are an airline that we are not. We are not the airlines in our peer set , not even close.
08-28-2013 | 05:08 AM
#357
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Wow good for you.
Please help me get a job at your airline.
What was it like when your company was bk and what were the furloughed guys getting?
I would like a union as well but guys like you don't help the cause.
Things must be perfect at your airline since you have the time to come bash "blue clowns"
Please help me get a job at your airline.
What was it like when your company was bk and what were the furloughed guys getting?
I would like a union as well but guys like you don't help the cause.
Things must be perfect at your airline since you have the time to come bash "blue clowns"
The furloughed guys were at least getting medical, through mutual aid. Valid point... you were making a paycheck... we'll see how the JB business plan works for you guys. take a look at historical start ups.... you are not SWA.....
You have no voice in your employment and no political voice in govt. A political voice for safety or pay/benefits. You have no professional status. You don't serve the public good with a safety structure, accident investigation, etc... You've no code of ethics.... you show up, work, go home. When your told, were you are told, how you are told.
If you got bought or merged you pilots will be voiceless, stapled and screwed. With a little union precedence and law to help you out.
Good luck.
08-28-2013 | 05:12 AM
#358
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From: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
We'd be extremely lucky to get stapled.
08-28-2013 | 05:31 AM
#360
On Reserve
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 88
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From: A320/ A321 CA
JetBlue's business model is and has been to grow, but it has NEVER been to compensate its pilots at full industry average (which only includes airlines that are way above our boxing weight). I have confidence in that model. I do believe JB could now pay those levels of compensation, but at the expense of a high growth rate. Choices must be made.
JB has never fully "met the cost of doing business", not since the day you were hired, or before. Never have. That was good enough for you when you got hired and needed a bunch of seniority......
Alaska and Airtran have much more mature networks and revenue streams. They are also much slower growing. Growth is a punch-line among Alaska pilots, but hey, they have better pay and benefits. Its funny, when you were junior, you chose the high growth, lower pay model, but now......
And again, Alaska is more profitable, but they are NOT more profitable BECAUSE they pay better. They have a different network, different code share setup, regional monopolies and 80+ years of corporate and network maturaties. And better management.
You keep suggesting we are an airline that we are not. We are not the airlines in our peer set , not even close.
JB has never fully "met the cost of doing business", not since the day you were hired, or before. Never have. That was good enough for you when you got hired and needed a bunch of seniority......
Alaska and Airtran have much more mature networks and revenue streams. They are also much slower growing. Growth is a punch-line among Alaska pilots, but hey, they have better pay and benefits. Its funny, when you were junior, you chose the high growth, lower pay model, but now......
And again, Alaska is more profitable, but they are NOT more profitable BECAUSE they pay better. They have a different network, different code share setup, regional monopolies and 80+ years of corporate and network maturaties. And better management.
You keep suggesting we are an airline that we are not. We are not the airlines in our peer set , not even close.
"If" and when you guys grow, it wont be due to your Pilot compensation model.
Are you a Pilot or a general employee? You have over 15000 employees. You don't have to concern yourself with the compensation levels of the remaining 12500 lesser trained employees. Why don't you Pilots negotiate industry standard compensation? I don't know how many E190 drivers you have. Seems like it may only be 1700 Airbus guys who need a raise? And, you think this would stop the Airline in it's tracks?
You "are" a Pilot aren't you????
Or, are you? You don't seem to be on the side of Pilots.
Trent
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