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Old 08-26-2013 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Thank you. By most ways of measuring, we are a substandard AIRLINE, so you would be an idiot to expect anything other than substandard wages and benefits.

Maybe a substandard Airline is to be expected when you have an inexperienced ELT who are on their first rodeo.


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Old 08-26-2013 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
Maybe a substandard Airline is to be expected when you have an inexperienced ELT who are on their first rodeo.


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Maybe. Maybe, being 2-5x smaller, 2-5x younger, 50% smaller average gauge aircraft, and having a much less mature network might also be contributing factors... (in addition to the inexperienced ELT).
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So do I have it backwards? Are we taking 13, but it will feel like only 9 because the 321 won't be online till the end of the year? So we are takin 13, but will feel like 9?
We are taking 4 A321 deliveries in 4Q 2013, and 9 A320/321 deliveries in 2014. How it "feels" is a subjective emotion. I will personally feel like we are taking 9 deliveries in 2014, your mileage may vary.
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Maybe. Maybe, being 2-5x smaller, 2-5x younger, 50% smaller average gauge aircraft, and having a much less mature network might also be contributing factors... (in addition to the inexperienced ELT).

I don't know. The AirTran boys managed to negotiate $165/hr on the B717 along with industry std benefits and protections. They stayed profitable too.

Begs questions huh?

I think the key word is "Negotiate".


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Old 08-26-2013 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
I don't know. The AirTran boys managed to negotiate $165/hr on the B717 along with industry std benefits and protections. They stayed profitable too.

Begs questions huh?

I think the key word is "Negotiate".


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I don't have a problem with a union or us being able to negotiate.
Old 08-26-2013 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I don't have a problem with a union or us being able to negotiate.


Oh I know. But, for many, any old job will do and lowering the bar for the profession is ok.

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Old 08-26-2013 | 09:57 AM
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Oh I know. But, for many, any old job will do and lowering the bar for the profession is ok.

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And many are ignorant enough to think a union will give us legacy pay and benefits, and still keep our current growth rate...
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And many are ignorant enough to think a union will give us legacy pay and benefits, and still keep our current growth rate...

Legacy pay rates? Can't even match pay rates/ benefits of SWA, AT or AK.


Growth (if that's even a concern) is not a function of having a non union Pilot group!


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Old 08-26-2013 | 10:17 AM
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Legacy pay rates? Can't even match pay rates/ benefits of SWA, AT or AK.


Growth (if that's even a concern) is not a function of having a non union Pilot group!


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During the Q2 earnings conference call, did JB give guidance for slower than previously reported growth for 2nd half of 2013?
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
During the Q2 earnings conference call, did JB give guidance for slower than previously reported growth for 2nd half of 2013?

Why do you ask???

Growth is based on causal forecasting. Airlines look at the GDP, capacity in the system, and oil price.


They DO NOT look at Pilot compensation or union/ non-union status.


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