View Poll Results: Would AA's lower 1st yr pay keep you away?
Yes, I'd go to DL/UA before AA to make more my first year
73
42.94%
No, all 3 airlines are now close enough in careers that it wouldn't matter
97
57.06%
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Would AA's lower 1st year pay keep you away?
11-13-2013 | 07:47 PM
#11
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Considering that $40/hr would still be a pay RAISE from my regional pay…NO, it wouldn't keep me away.
Now, if AA hired me, would $40/hr, with the promise of "pay parity" at some future date lead me to withdraw my apps at Delta/United/SWA/FedEx?…NO, it wouldn't, and I would probably jump ship at the first chance of higher first year pay at an airline that was already through the merger turbulence that is likely to occur over the next 3-5 years.
Now, if AA hired me, would $40/hr, with the promise of "pay parity" at some future date lead me to withdraw my apps at Delta/United/SWA/FedEx?…NO, it wouldn't, and I would probably jump ship at the first chance of higher first year pay at an airline that was already through the merger turbulence that is likely to occur over the next 3-5 years.
11-13-2013 | 09:02 PM
#12
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From: DAL 330
Joey,
That may be true, but the whole industry was pretty much in the crapper then. In 2000 Pilots were leaving a lot of other airlines for DAL/AMR/UAL because they were paying more then.
Pilots will follow the money.
Scoop
11-13-2013 | 09:37 PM
#13
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11-14-2013 | 03:23 AM
#14
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They are not all the same with percentages or numbers of widebodies (tangible) or in their cultures (intangible).
11-14-2013 | 03:57 AM
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Short bus..Great info on all airlines on main page.
American and US Airways:
American Airlines - Audries Aircraft Analysis
US Airways - Audries Aircraft Analysis
American and US Airways:
American Airlines - Audries Aircraft Analysis
US Airways - Audries Aircraft Analysis
11-14-2013 | 05:12 AM
#17
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Agreed, but I just don't think it would necessarily "stop" the majority of folks who are looking to get on at legacy/major. I just think not applying because of the first year pay is a bit short-sighted. I also think if you simply can't afford it, that's understandable.
11-14-2013 | 05:37 AM
#18
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AA current percentages -
junior CA - 58%
junior w/b CA - 48%
On retirements alone, every staying to 65, no growth, no early outs, first upgrades would be 11 yrs.
11-14-2013 | 06:24 AM
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Some info on United and GUM with 1st year pay...
If you don't mind going to Guam, United has a pretty sweet deal for first year pay if you get lucky.
In GUM you get 2nd year pay during your first year per contract.
Thus if a GUM slot opened in newhire training, you would start at $90-92 per hour instead of $61 per hour. That 2nd year rate goes up to $97-101 per hour on Jan 1 2014.
In GUM, you also receive a $3000/month COLA, which equates to $36K per year.
In conclusion, if you have the opportunity to go to GUM, you can now make at least $122K first year, but probably a lot more since most people get paid more than min guarantee.
That being said, I would imagine since this has turned into a relatively good deal as long as your willing to move/commute, there are a lot of newhires trying to jump on it.
If you don't mind going to Guam, United has a pretty sweet deal for first year pay if you get lucky.
In GUM you get 2nd year pay during your first year per contract.
Thus if a GUM slot opened in newhire training, you would start at $90-92 per hour instead of $61 per hour. That 2nd year rate goes up to $97-101 per hour on Jan 1 2014.
In GUM, you also receive a $3000/month COLA, which equates to $36K per year.
In conclusion, if you have the opportunity to go to GUM, you can now make at least $122K first year, but probably a lot more since most people get paid more than min guarantee.
That being said, I would imagine since this has turned into a relatively good deal as long as your willing to move/commute, there are a lot of newhires trying to jump on it.
11-14-2013 | 10:19 AM
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Pay is only part of the equation. If a newbie had the chance to go to any of the 3 (UA, DL, AA), I'd say DL has shown itself to be the most successful in terms of growth and actually competing in the marketplace, and seems to be a relatively happy place to work.
AA has a tough road ahead in executing the merger, and the workplace environment, once the glee of the approval fades, will be horrendous for a long time.
AA has a tough road ahead in executing the merger, and the workplace environment, once the glee of the approval fades, will be horrendous for a long time.
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