View Poll Results: Would AA's lower 1st yr pay keep you away?
Yes, I'd go to DL/UA before AA to make more my first year
73
42.94%
No, all 3 airlines are now close enough in careers that it wouldn't matter
97
57.06%
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Would AA's lower 1st year pay keep you away?
11-17-2013 | 12:00 AM
#41
La Familia Delta
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From: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
Too much to discuss in one post, but one of the reasons AA cited for BK was labor costs. We all know that AA pilots weren't breaking the bank, the fraction of operating expenses that labor actually accounted for wasn't a factor. Additionally, "pensions" aka the A fund was funded at the time and not really the burden they made it out to be, hence the reason it wasn't dissolved in BK court.
Honestly, you really think AA needed to file BK then but not in the few years post 9/11? They weathered the storm in the early 2000's but not 2011-2012? Its clear the BK was a move to shed obligations and position themselves to be competitive with DAL and UAL/CAL. Call it "BK Envy" if you will...
11-17-2013 | 01:44 AM
#42
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Or another way to look at it is the aa employees voted in ch11 pay/contracts in 2003 which put added pressure on NWA and DAL in particular. Part of that was the pipe dream of possibly running UAL and USair out of business, and the other the fear of ch11 sold by the company and specifically the apa chairman. Just sayin...
Too much to discuss in one post, but one of the reasons AA cited for BK was labor costs. We all know that AA pilots weren't breaking the bank, the fraction of operating expenses that labor actually accounted for wasn't a factor. Additionally, "pensions" aka the A fund was funded at the time and not really the burden they made it out to be, hence the reason it wasn't dissolved in BK court.
Honestly, you really think AA needed to file BK then but not in the few years post 9/11? They weathered the storm in the early 2000's but not 2011-2012? Its clear the BK was a move to shed obligations and position themselves to be competitive with DAL and UAL/CAL. Call it "BK Envy" if you will...
Honestly, you really think AA needed to file BK then but not in the few years post 9/11? They weathered the storm in the early 2000's but not 2011-2012? Its clear the BK was a move to shed obligations and position themselves to be competitive with DAL and UAL/CAL. Call it "BK Envy" if you will...
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