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Since this thread is about our new Chairman ... doesn't his background kinda send that message?

At the Investor's Day management quipped something along the lines of "We have our Pilots' new union leader with us today. He used to be their Strike Committee Chairman ... at least he is in here with us and not picketing outside."

(may not be that exact a quote) but the point is ... yeah, they noticed what we did there.

 

Would they have done as well without out contract being in place? If you can honestly answer that in the affirmative, I will concede. Somebody had to be first out of BK. That was us. We set the bar. They exceeded it. That's the way it is supposed to work. Next is our turn to leap over them. Or do you believe that we should somehow mystically always have the best contract out there regardless of timing? (And they don't pass us until AFTER our amendable date btw....)

 

His background implies that. Implies only though. Different era and different circumstances. I have yet to read a letter from him or hear him say that restoration is a goal.

You now what is sad? I'd take restoration to our POS 96 as we haven't even crawled back to that. I'd prefer C2k pre bk restoration but we are really dragging trying to get there.

Oh, I don't think that was the quote given at the conference. Try to find the one you are referring to. I'll find the one I remember them tossing out. It had to do with our "staying humble" and not "getting greedy." It went along the lines of how great our relationship is and that you didn't see any picketing when you all came in.

 

Short answer. Back at PT. USAir (first bk) and Hawaiian out before us.

Hawaiian set the bar. We ducked way under it.

 

@TheManager. I think you are being overly dramatic on some of this. JMHO. Re-reading your posts, one would think we are chained to the yokes. WE have made significant gains. It is getting better. We open section 6 in a few months. Life is good.

 

No, it's believable.

Did you vote in the last LEC election last October? Did you call anyone else to vote? Let's stop the blather and cut to the chase.

If you did vote--as you told me your weren't--you have given up and are part of the problem.

If you voted, how many other people did you get to vote similarly to your vote? How about even just the f/os you flew with during that month or two?

It's really simple. There are people on the MEC who feel the way you do. They do not have the votes to get done what you are proposing. A different philosophy rules the MEC, and subsequently the MEC administration, and subsequently a very large percentage of the Executive Council and Executive Board at ALPA National. Bylaws and policy manuals can be changed to reflect the will of the membership--if it is indeed the true will.

Either: The majority doesn't agree with your direction, in which case you just have to deal with it OR The majority is getting squashed by the minority through subversive maneuvering, in which case you have to change your leadership through voting and hope that there is a consensus on the MEC which agrees with your point of view OR you can try a futile battle to change unions ensuring that management will close the door firmly in our face and simultaneously close off Washington to any meaningful input as well.

Your choice, and it sounds as if you've made it. I've made mine as well, and have prepared myself for the ensuing disaster or an even more fruitful retirement. Either way is fine with me.

I'll say it again, I'm on your side.

PS, thanks for not calling me a liar, again.

 

Absolutely! Life is good. But our pay rates are about 32.5% BELOW the buying power they afforded for decades prior to management's great bankruptcy opportunity. For Delta Air Lines, life is exceptionally good today! For our pay rates, not so much. But in the grand scheme of things, I gotta agree with you that life is good... there is way more to life than money (doesn't mean I'm willing to give up on the value of my career though).

 

I don't agree with your conclusions. In any case, sounds like you and I are pretty much on the same page in terms of what we think our objective should be.

I have given up on DALPA/ALPA. Doesn't matter who I support and/or vote for, it doesn't change a thing. But don't confuse that with giving up on our profession and our careers. I don't know if it's salvageable or not (with all the damage DALPA has done for the past 8 years), but I think it's worth a try. Clearly, that "try" is not going to happen with DALPA. I guess that's where you and I part ways in terms of agreement.

And by the way, I did vote in the last LEC election. I did not plan to vote because I felt (still feel) that it is a waste of time. But there was one guy running who I felt worthy of my vote. He appealed directly to me to vote for him and I decided I would vote for him out of respect. Of course, he didn't win. Wouldn't have fit in with the Moak disciples at all.

Oh... and I did not call you a "liar." From your post, I didn't pick up on the fact that you were doing rolling thunder (after re-reading it, I can see where you hinted at that... so my bad). And I specifically asked, "what am I missing?" Sorry if you thought otherwise.

 

If you consider 16 months to be a "few" months, then I guess you're right.

Carl