Jetblue anti-union tactics
#131
Why can't you understand the union is a representation of the pilots. The negotiating committees are a representation of the pilots elected. You were at a regional, you are now at a major airline. The situations are different. The union is different. The ability to achieve gains are different.
Meanwhile management is the same. The takeaways continue. The lies and fish storied get bigger.
Meanwhile management is the same. The takeaways continue. The lies and fish storied get bigger.
You love to paint me into the corner of the jaded Regional guy. I wasn't jaded by ALPA at all. What I did see them do is nothing. I was paid "food stamp" wages and I paid 1.9% of those meager wages to ALPA. I had a CBA. I could follow the rules. I saw the company not follow the rules. I saw grievances get filed and those grievances went into the rotating file cabinet. It doesn't matter. We were a contract company for Delta.
This is different. I know. We are our own entity. When we joint ALPA we're something different. We've attached ourself to something that we ALL have to be comfortable with. I'm comfortable with many things that ALPA can provide to our group. I'm not comfortable with about the same "many" things that I don't like and what I don't want to be associated with as a group. That's where we have to be real careful on this vote.
-Bubs
#132
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 98
The National Mediation Board sent out the required information today.
If you do not receive voting instructions prior to April 1st please contact any OC member as you must request new instructions, in writing, from the NMB.
If anyone is still considering themselves a fence sitter encourage them to abstain. Simply don't vote.
If you do not receive voting instructions prior to April 1st please contact any OC member as you must request new instructions, in writing, from the NMB.
If anyone is still considering themselves a fence sitter encourage them to abstain. Simply don't vote.
#134
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 97
P3 Bubba,
I think you're looking at the same big pic I am. Not from the other side, but a slightly different angle. I may be putting words in your mouth but it appears to me you are realizing ALPA has plenty of warts, but they're festering less than those of the other options.
You and I are newbies to JetBlue but definitely not to the world. Say what you want about 'Mil-specs' but our BS meters are better tuned than most. You are adept at ignoring the shiny flashy diversions of the illusionist to catch him as he hides the ball in his palm. You obviously saw through the misdirection of the above-mentioned ELT call, and I bet you recognized when the pizza man was lying through his teeth to you during indoc (or at least you realized it when the PEA dropped).
Your choice when the ballot drops is between a continued but bolder DR and a new direction under ALPA. Abstaining will only weaken the credibility of the pilot group no matter what the outcome. A write-in will be for ALPA, but with weakened negotiating cred as well.
ALPA isn't perfect. Even with the best altruistic crew possible in the MEC, people have agendas and they tend to be selfish. But I've met a few of the likely candidates just like I've met the current rein-holders. I trust the former more.
Some day we'll have to drink a few beers across the table together while we debate the MEC candidates and priorities for our union bylaws.
Don't let any one bully you into a vote, and definitely not into a non-vote. But when you sit down to type it in, imagine Jett and Rhino sitting across the table from you and try to think which one you'd rather have in charge of the representation process.
I think you're looking at the same big pic I am. Not from the other side, but a slightly different angle. I may be putting words in your mouth but it appears to me you are realizing ALPA has plenty of warts, but they're festering less than those of the other options.
You and I are newbies to JetBlue but definitely not to the world. Say what you want about 'Mil-specs' but our BS meters are better tuned than most. You are adept at ignoring the shiny flashy diversions of the illusionist to catch him as he hides the ball in his palm. You obviously saw through the misdirection of the above-mentioned ELT call, and I bet you recognized when the pizza man was lying through his teeth to you during indoc (or at least you realized it when the PEA dropped).
Your choice when the ballot drops is between a continued but bolder DR and a new direction under ALPA. Abstaining will only weaken the credibility of the pilot group no matter what the outcome. A write-in will be for ALPA, but with weakened negotiating cred as well.
ALPA isn't perfect. Even with the best altruistic crew possible in the MEC, people have agendas and they tend to be selfish. But I've met a few of the likely candidates just like I've met the current rein-holders. I trust the former more.
Some day we'll have to drink a few beers across the table together while we debate the MEC candidates and priorities for our union bylaws.
Don't let any one bully you into a vote, and definitely not into a non-vote. But when you sit down to type it in, imagine Jett and Rhino sitting across the table from you and try to think which one you'd rather have in charge of the representation process.
#135
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,099
Benzobait,
You love to paint me into the corner of the jaded Regional guy. I wasn't jaded by ALPA at all. What I did see them do is nothing. I was paid "food stamp" wages and I paid 1.9% of those meager wages to ALPA. I had a CBA. I could follow the rules. I saw the company not follow the rules. I saw grievances get filed and those grievances went into the rotating file cabinet. It doesn't matter. We were a contract company for Delta.
This is different. I know. We are our own entity. When we joint ALPA we're something different. We've attached ourself to something that we ALL have to be comfortable with. I'm comfortable with many things that ALPA can provide to our group. I'm not comfortable with about the same "many" things that I don't like and what I don't want to be associated with as a group. That's where we have to be real careful on this vote.
-Bubs
You love to paint me into the corner of the jaded Regional guy. I wasn't jaded by ALPA at all. What I did see them do is nothing. I was paid "food stamp" wages and I paid 1.9% of those meager wages to ALPA. I had a CBA. I could follow the rules. I saw the company not follow the rules. I saw grievances get filed and those grievances went into the rotating file cabinet. It doesn't matter. We were a contract company for Delta.
This is different. I know. We are our own entity. When we joint ALPA we're something different. We've attached ourself to something that we ALL have to be comfortable with. I'm comfortable with many things that ALPA can provide to our group. I'm not comfortable with about the same "many" things that I don't like and what I don't want to be associated with as a group. That's where we have to be real careful on this vote.
-Bubs
Look at the current silo structure, PVC and committees. While not effective you have seen a group that has done its very best to work with a robber baron style management group. The pilot group has had enough and hence the union vote. The pilot group is also knowledgeable enough to know you still have to work with management. This time, however, it will be in a CBA environment where both sides are on equal footing yet opposite sides of the table.
This is why we need your vote.
#136
Here's a link to the ongoing Air Wisconsin ALPA negotiations. Ongoing since 2010.
Air Wisconsin Pilots Negotiation Web site
Air Wisconsin Pilots Negotiation Web site
#138
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 97
I'll still buy beers. (And if you're an EP-3 guy, I'll buy top-shelf shots… I owe them a couple).
#140
:-)
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Scope was sold to try and save the pension, it failed miserably.
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