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Old 06-28-2014 | 11:41 AM
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Has anyone recently attended a CRM Workshop at one of the Majors or Regionals?
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Old 06-28-2014 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalmacca
Has anyone recently attended a CRM Workshop at one of the Majors or Regionals?
Never at AE, CHQ or Airways, but, many in the Navy.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 11:50 AM
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?? CRM is required for all Part 121 - perhaps a new title maybe? Started with Cockpit Resource Management - evolved into Crew Resource Management the Line Oriented Flight Training (LOFT) - has it gone and mutated again whilst I wasn't paying attention? Thanks
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Old 06-28-2014 | 11:53 AM
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We don't have specific workshops at DL, but CRM/TEM is heavily emphasized, discussed, and graded on events.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 12:04 PM
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I'm finding this very interesting as I have recently returned stateside from many years in Scotland were I was still running the basic CRM workshop. Primarily it was for new hires because the airline environment is new to them and then the follow-on was done annually thereafter - what is the TEM training - I'm not familiar with that acronym.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dalmacca
I'm finding this very interesting as I have recently returned stateside from many years in Scotland were I was still running the basic CRM workshop. Primarily it was for new hires because the airline environment is new to them and then the follow-on was done annually thereafter - what is the TEM training - I'm not familiar with that acronym.
You do a CRM/TEM focus day during newbie training. TEM is an augment to CRM: Threat and Error Management.
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Old 06-28-2014 | 04:17 PM
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Threat error management
Anticipated threats
Unanticipated threats
Time vs no time etc.
Mostly good stuff, some would call teaching common sense and managing the threat in a safe manner.
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Old 06-29-2014 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalmacca
?? CRM is required for all Part 121 - perhaps a new title maybe? Started with Cockpit Resource Management - evolved into Crew Resource Management the Line Oriented Flight Training (LOFT) - has it gone and mutated again whilst I wasn't paying attention? Thanks
United was one of the first and called it CLR - Command Leadership Resources (or something similar). From what I remember the airline had basically put together the outline for the course, but hadn't made a decision about going forward.

Along came a DC-8-61 accident in KPDX, flight 173 in Dec 1978, where the aircraft literally ran out of fuel - a classic CRM study.

A friend of mine wrote the study scenarios for the course.

I remember going through the 3 day course in Denver - 1979 or 1980 or slightly later. Very intense but enlightening. I've always considered it the best training in my career at United.
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Old 06-29-2014 | 06:55 AM
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I managed the CRM /human factors program at Flightsafety for 6 years (just left in FEB). I rewrote the initial course in 2008 to reflect TEM, etc. (16 hours total). The case study used for TEM was Air France 358, that overran the runway landing in Toronto in 2005.

Recurrent was 8 hours. I did 100+ Courses on site at corporate Flight departments and spoke at 17 safety day/ stand downs. Also wrote the CRM course in 2008 for the USAF booms and pilots at KC135 initial and recurrent in Altus. Did extensive work on pilot monitoring concepts and responsibilities. Developed the online instructor led course at FSI.(the online course originally used the Delta flight 60 taxiway landing and later, the citation rejected landing in Cresco, IA as a case study).

The 16 hour corporate course was not death by PowerPoint. It was actually 3 days of material compressed into two. Very interactive, case studies, video based decision making exercises, etc. I delivered it Sam Kinison style! Just started back flying at a 121 regional (after the six year hiatus from flying) and was provided 1.5 hrs of CRM training. As a cited CRM consultant and published author(likely they don't know that and don't care) I get the concept; however, the rest of my class is made up of 1500 hr CFIs. For them, what was presented was quite inadequate in my opinion.

The major body of initial TEM work was developed in my part of the world here in TX. If you PM me I can give you a reading list or a list of resources. We developed a TEM course at FSI but it was never marketed or sold.

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Try as you may, you cannot CRM the "weenie" out of some blockheads. Why someone didn't throttle that DC-8 guy is beyond me.
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