"Pilot Shortage" - well ?
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...At 121 airlines alone over the next 15 years, they will lose tens of thousands of ATPs. There is also an undefined number of regional airline pilots who will be forced to retire in the next 15 years.
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No one cares about resident status in another country, unless you are going to legally need it for that job, etc.
Its also likely that if you have been applying non stop for a month, that you've applied to a lot of places which may view you as "over qualified" i.e. regional airlines especially the bottom tier ones. They know you'll leave quick, probably in training or just after.
Yes I understand, but I just want to demonstrate that I am capable of dealing with burocrats and people of other cultures. Maybe they have a sister company in another country who needs pilots. etc Or perhaps they may have students (instructor job) from the country I used to live in and could be a plus in helping them .
It should obvious to them that if I'm sending my resume' its because I haven't received any other options.
Thanks for the reply
Its also likely that if you have been applying non stop for a month, that you've applied to a lot of places which may view you as "over qualified" i.e. regional airlines especially the bottom tier ones. They know you'll leave quick, probably in training or just after.
Yes I understand, but I just want to demonstrate that I am capable of dealing with burocrats and people of other cultures. Maybe they have a sister company in another country who needs pilots. etc Or perhaps they may have students (instructor job) from the country I used to live in and could be a plus in helping them .
It should obvious to them that if I'm sending my resume' its because I haven't received any other options.
Thanks for the reply
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But it indicates a slow upward growth in ATPs as well as a steady supply over time. The proportion of ATPs to COMMs should continue to go in that direction due to the new ATP requirement for regional airline FOs.
Airlines will also eliminate jobs as aircraft get larger requiring less pilots to staff them.
Airlines will also eliminate jobs as aircraft get larger requiring less pilots to staff them.
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But it indicates a slow upward growth in ATPs as well as a steady supply over time. The proportion of ATPs to COMMs should continue to go in that direction due to the new ATP requirement for regional airline FOs.
Airlines will also eliminate jobs as aircraft get larger requiring less pilots to staff them.
Airlines will also eliminate jobs as aircraft get larger requiring less pilots to staff them.
As to your second point, I find it highly assumptive. Yes, 50-seaters are being eliminated for 76 seaters but I don't see you significantly reducing the amount of jobs required to staff. This is also combined with several other factors. First, load factors across the board are incredibly high. Anyone who has tried to jumpseat on any number of airlines knows that it has gotten increasingly difficult over the past decade. Second, if you believe in free market forces, if there is a market for more frequency at a specific airport flying an RJ, there will be more frequency. Someone will fill the void. A company will start to combat a shortage by eliminating small aircraft in favor of larger ones but over time, they are leaving a lot of money on the table.
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From: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Your original post indicates you have 104 hrs of multi engine time with multiple type ratings and certs. And you're questioning why you can't get hired??? Error or true?
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Fair enough, and I admit this data showing such and such number of pilots exist is widely open to interpretation. But my point in showing the chart is, that one can as easily interpret things any number of ways and shortage is not really in agreement with facts like these.
I am only a messenger, but here's a quote from a decent source (US Bureau of Labor Statistics):
Employment of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers is projected to decline 7 percent from 2012 to 2022. It is likely that scheduled airlines will attempt to increase profitability over the next decade by increasing the average number of passengers in all aircraft. This will probably be done by eliminating routes with low demand and reducing the number of flights per day along more heavily used routes. These practices will ultimately lower the overall number of flights and lower the total number of pilot jobs.
...As to your second point, I find it highly assumptive. Yes, 50-seaters are being eliminated for 76 seaters but I don't see you significantly reducing the amount of jobs required to staff...
Employment of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers is projected to decline 7 percent from 2012 to 2022. It is likely that scheduled airlines will attempt to increase profitability over the next decade by increasing the average number of passengers in all aircraft. This will probably be done by eliminating routes with low demand and reducing the number of flights per day along more heavily used routes. These practices will ultimately lower the overall number of flights and lower the total number of pilot jobs.
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of flying 500 hours as F/O in an A320. By the way most of the 104 hours was in a Piper Apache .Commercial , IFR , and MEI all first done in an Apache. And I did a SIC course in a CE500 (4 hours). I invested about 26k for my ME time.
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Employment of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers is projected to decline 7 percent from 2012 to 2022. It is likely that scheduled airlines will attempt to increase profitability over the next decade by increasing the average number of passengers in all aircraft. This will probably be done by eliminating routes with low demand and reducing the number of flights per day along more heavily used routes. These practices will ultimately lower the overall number of flights and lower the total number of pilot jobs.[/QUOTE]
So any hiring in the next 10 years will basically be to replace 93% of those retiring.
So any hiring in the next 10 years will basically be to replace 93% of those retiring.
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Fair enough, and I admit this data showing such and such number of pilots exist is widely open to interpretation. But my point in showing the chart is, that one can as easily interpret things any number of ways and shortage is not really in agreement with facts like these.
I am only a messenger, but here's a quote from a decent source (US Bureau of Labor Statistics):
Employment of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers is projected to decline 7 percent from 2012 to 2022. It is likely that scheduled airlines will attempt to increase profitability over the next decade by increasing the average number of passengers in all aircraft. This will probably be done by eliminating routes with low demand and reducing the number of flights per day along more heavily used routes. These practices will ultimately lower the overall number of flights and lower the total number of pilot jobs.
I am only a messenger, but here's a quote from a decent source (US Bureau of Labor Statistics):
Employment of airline pilots, copilots, and flight engineers is projected to decline 7 percent from 2012 to 2022. It is likely that scheduled airlines will attempt to increase profitability over the next decade by increasing the average number of passengers in all aircraft. This will probably be done by eliminating routes with low demand and reducing the number of flights per day along more heavily used routes. These practices will ultimately lower the overall number of flights and lower the total number of pilot jobs.
Was looking around and also saw this. I thought the growth estimates were a little high but it is interesting nonetheless.
http://www.northshore.edu/cms/file/a...bor-supply.pdf
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I hold the following credentials:
ATP Single and Multi engine Land and Sea FAA
ATPL Multi Engine Land Canada
ATPL Multi Engine Land Philippines
type rated pic A320 B737 no limitations on ATP license or ratings.
English proficient
Flight Dispatcher FAA
Flight Instructor Multi and Instrument airplane FAA
Ground Instructor Advanced and Instrument FAA
I have passed Flight Engineer Turbojet and Flight Navigator FAA knowledge exams,
Commerical Glider FAA
Secret Security Clearance USA
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R/Telephone licenses Canada Philippines
General R/Telephone USA
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I'm not sure what you mean by flamebait. Someone mentioned I should have additional skills. / Like I said in previous post, I understand I dont have much time (total and ME) Its a catch 22 , no job=no experience and no experience= no job. That's why I tried to make up for it by doing other courses , classes, rating etc To try and get my foot in the door somehow. I certainly am NOT going to pay $80,000 for the privilege
of flying 500 hours as F/O in an A320. By the way most of the 104 hours was in a Piper Apache .Commercial , IFR , and MEI all first done in an Apache. And I did a SIC course in a CE500 (4 hours). I invested about 26k for my ME time.
of flying 500 hours as F/O in an A320. By the way most of the 104 hours was in a Piper Apache .Commercial , IFR , and MEI all first done in an Apache. And I did a SIC course in a CE500 (4 hours). I invested about 26k for my ME time.
Back to the confusion
You have basically 2000 TT and 104 ME. You state yourself, that "most of" your 104 multi hours was in a Apache. However you also state you have type ratings in the A320 and B737. I wonder how many hours each type course required ? In addition, you said your types are no limitations (aka no circling limitations, nada). I didn't know this was possible with 104 ME, but you didn't have that going INTO those type courses. Probably 50 ME, going into the type schools. Lets say you gained 25 hours from 737 school, and 25 hours from A320 school, so you had 50 or so multi hours, before enrolling a course which granted you a no limitations PIC type rating as you called it.
Lets take a look at Higher Power's requirements, who are one of the leading 737 type schools and "feeder courses" into SWA. Again, you said your type is no limitations.
Boeing 737-200 Type Rating | Higher Power Aviation
Boeing 737-200 Type Rating
Note: For individuals advancing their careers, we recommend the B737-300 type rating course, at no additional cost.
Prerequisites - To qualify for an unrestricted type rating in the all simulator course, you must meet at least one of the following requirements. Those that do not meet these requirements may have a PIC restriction (25 hrs Supervised Operating Experience required before operating as PIC):
Hold a type rating in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
Have at least 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes of the same class of airplane;
Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as a pilot in command in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane;
Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane; or
Have logged at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours were in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class of airplane for which tye type rating is sought.
(Note: If you do not meet at least one of the above requirements, contact our office as you may still qualify for training.)
Course is programmed for 60 hrs of home study; 48 hrs of ground school training, FAA oral examination; and 24 hours of full flight simulator if with a partner. Contact us for scheduling details and you do not have to bring a partner with you.
Course Length: approximately 13 days
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