CLMP

Are you saying that you are not on the union email list and do not get any correspondence from them? If so, please PM me your info and I will see that you are added. With the coming events, it is critical that every pilot receive communication from their union. If you're saying that you haven't gotten any official direction as to whether or not to pick up MM, it's because the union can't tell you not to do it. It would loosely fall under the umbrella of a job action and that is not allowed at this stage in the game. As far as the newhires getting the info, we are telling them at the meet and greets and I'm sure captains are also educating them as they hit the line.

As far as outsourcing, it's almost always more expensive than doing it in-house. If it weren't, they would have outsourced EVERYTHING and you would see Falcon Air and Sun Country in a middle of a hiring spree right now.

The pilot group is not fundamentally against MM in itself. We're against the constant supply-and-demand fluctuation in compensation for these MM depending upon how badly they need the flight covered. In the course of a week, I've seen trips range from just straight block to double block with a comp day. There needs to be a hard-and-fast rule for compensation for MM. I think 8 hrs or double block (which ever is higher) plus a comp day is fair (my opinion only). The company has been approached by our negotiating team regarding adding an MOU to the current work rules regarding this compensation and like 100% of the other times we approached them, they told us to pound sand. We're not dealing with normal people here.

Packrat

Agree 100%. Well said.

Packrat

Actually it would be a real job action. And it would cost you. When AA did it, it cost the Allied Pilots Association $45M in fines.

Delta got away with it, but they got the word out by word of mouth. The difference was that the court subpoenaed APA electronic records and found evidence on the hard drives.

When Delta management accused DALPA of doing the same thing, there was no hard evidence and the pilots argued successfully that there was no requirement for pilots to pick up overtime flying since it was technically voluntary.

Xbone

That pay band system can go to hell. I want to put my dentist on a pay band system. Dude charged me 800 dollars for a crown, *** over. I don’t think his accountant cared to hear I wasn’t having as profitable a year needed to justify his cost. The price was the price. I paid.

sailingfun

All of the above regarding Delta is incorrect. The judge issued a injunction against DALPA requiring a immediate return to normal levels of overtime flying. He stated the union had a duty to control the membership while acknowledging this was a grass roots effort. That court order remains in force today.
In addition 49 pilots were individually sued for 1 million dollars each by Delta for encouraging the no overtime campaign via electronic mediums. The union was able to negotiate dropping the law suits as part of contract 01.

Thunderpig

I am unsure just how many from my class have actually gotten to sit down and talk to anyone from the union meet and greets, mainly due to not knowing about them until too late. Also, not sure how many of us are getting emails (I am not), so all my info is WOM. Whilst TDY and on IOE, I heard plenty about it, but then when hitting the line, I saw a mixed reaction in terms of avoiding MM. I never put my name on the list to get notifications for MM, so I don't get tempted as it was explained clearly by a few people that MM was bad.

Now that I am on the line in base, I am seeing something different, which is why I am asking the question. All of the new hire guys are hurting in the short-term by not picking it up, but understand the long-term gains desired by avoiding it. Hence the question...is it working...

tyler durden

Have you reached out to a union rep to get on the mailing list? Are they ignoring your efforts?

I know the Vegas guys make every effort to attend all the classes, but from what you're saying, one appears to have been missed. It happens. With their schedules, I'm surprised they're able to get to any, but as they say, union membership is not a spectator sport, seek and ye shall find. I'm not sure who the point of contact is, but PM me and I'll get you a name.

CLMP

Thunderpig, if you were in the May class, I have just been given everyone's email addresses so you will be included. If not, please PM your info.

Thunderpig

Gracias...I was indeed in the May class.

seattlepilot

I wouldn't bet on that. Toonsters went around the local here in RAH and produced a very bad TA. Now that we are negotiating with the company the ALD decided to sue the local.. Yeah, they are good like that.