Stay at EK or go to UAL?
11-30-2014, 08:02 AM
#92
Otto
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Turkish Pile Driver
Posts: 1,806
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
Sounds like indentured servitude...............
Originally Posted by breeze
Honestly, it sounds like life on Active Duty...
Whether you're an Asian/African that actually cleans the toilet, an American military adviser, some high powered oil/finance man, or an expat flying for EK/EY you're just hired help doing what they are either unable or unwilling to do, and you are disposable. If their populace wasn't so lazy they'd happily employ native Emirates over foreigners, and if middle east science and technology weren't so backward they'd happily make their own weapons, and drill and refine their own oil without any interference from the west. They need us and they resent us. It is their country, and they make/change/obey/disobey the rules as they see fit.
Do I blame expats for going there? Absolutely not, everybody must do what is in their best interest and for some people this lifestyle just works. Would I ever go back? Sure, there is a number I'd go back for, but others have proven they're willing to work there for a LOT less so there is no realistic chance I'd return to work for them. The only way I'd ever willingly go back to the middle east would be flying a legacy jumbo for a long layover, or dropping bombs from a fighter (also highly unlikely as I'm retired, but a man can dream right?).
Of course that is just my opinion, but I feel like I've earned my right to it. Back to the OP, if you can be hired by a U.S. legacy this is not a choice.
11-30-2014, 10:30 AM
#93
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
Originally Posted by MikeF16
While I've never been an indentured servant, I was AD for 20 years, and I spent 20 months in Abu Dhabi working and flying with the UAE Air Force. This was my take on the UAE relationship with anybody who isn't a native Emirate -- we all wear a nametag that says "CleanCo", and our job is cleaning the shltters.
Whether you're an Asian/African that actually cleans the toilet, an American military adviser, some high powered oil/finance man, or an expat flying for EK/EY you're just hired help doing what they are either unable or unwilling to do, and you are disposable. If their populace wasn't so lazy they'd happily employ native Emirates over foreigners, and if middle east science and technology weren't so backward they'd happily make their own weapons, and drill and refine their own oil without any interference from the west. They need us and they resent us. It is their country, and they make/change/obey/disobey the rules as they see fit.
Do I blame expats for going there? Absolutely not, everybody must do what is in their best interest and for some people this lifestyle just works. Would I ever go back? Sure, there is a number I'd go back for, but others have proven they're willing to work there for a LOT less so there is no realistic chance I'd return to work for them. The only way I'd ever willingly go back to the middle east would be flying a legacy jumbo for a long layover, or dropping bombs from a fighter (also highly unlikely as I'm retired, but a man can dream right?).
Of course that is just my opinion, but I feel like I've earned my right to it. Back to the OP, if you can be hired by a U.S. legacy this is not a choice.
Whether you're an Asian/African that actually cleans the toilet, an American military adviser, some high powered oil/finance man, or an expat flying for EK/EY you're just hired help doing what they are either unable or unwilling to do, and you are disposable. If their populace wasn't so lazy they'd happily employ native Emirates over foreigners, and if middle east science and technology weren't so backward they'd happily make their own weapons, and drill and refine their own oil without any interference from the west. They need us and they resent us. It is their country, and they make/change/obey/disobey the rules as they see fit.
Do I blame expats for going there? Absolutely not, everybody must do what is in their best interest and for some people this lifestyle just works. Would I ever go back? Sure, there is a number I'd go back for, but others have proven they're willing to work there for a LOT less so there is no realistic chance I'd return to work for them. The only way I'd ever willingly go back to the middle east would be flying a legacy jumbo for a long layover, or dropping bombs from a fighter (also highly unlikely as I'm retired, but a man can dream right?).
Of course that is just my opinion, but I feel like I've earned my right to it. Back to the OP, if you can be hired by a U.S. legacy this is not a choice.
We think making 250K a year is a lot of money. When you compare it to 50K/yr it is but when you are sitting next to a few Wall Street Bankers or Longshoremen, you realize it Aint DOO DOO
As a XXXXXX pilot, you are mingling with and living around the richest of richest. You are nothing but a hired servant. Take a look at inflation too.
TEN
Last edited by TenYearsGone; 11-30-2014 at 10:46 AM. Reason: addition
11-30-2014, 11:05 AM
#95
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 737A
Posts: 1,890
Originally Posted by MikeF16
While I've never been an indentured servant, I was AD for 20 years, and I spent 20 months in Abu Dhabi working and flying with the UAE Air Force. This was my take on the UAE relationship with anybody who isn't a native Emirate -- we all wear a nametag that says "CleanCo", and our job is cleaning the shltters.
Whether you're an Asian/African that actually cleans the toilet, an American military adviser, some high powered oil/finance man, or an expat flying for EK/EY you're just hired help doing what they are either unable or unwilling to do, and you are disposable. If their populace wasn't so lazy they'd happily employ native Emirates over foreigners, and if middle east science and technology weren't so backward they'd happily make their own weapons, and drill and refine their own oil without any interference from the west. They need us and they resent us. It is their country, and they make/change/obey/disobey the rules as they see fit.
Do I blame expats for going there? Absolutely not, everybody must do what is in their best interest and for some people this lifestyle just works. Would I ever go back? Sure, there is a number I'd go back for, but others have proven they're willing to work there for a LOT less so there is no realistic chance I'd return to work for them. The only way I'd ever willingly go back to the middle east would be flying a legacy jumbo for a long layover, or dropping bombs from a fighter (also highly unlikely as I'm retired, but a man can dream right?).
Of course that is just my opinion, but I feel like I've earned my right to it. Back to the OP, if you can be hired by a U.S. legacy this is not a choice.
Whether you're an Asian/African that actually cleans the toilet, an American military adviser, some high powered oil/finance man, or an expat flying for EK/EY you're just hired help doing what they are either unable or unwilling to do, and you are disposable. If their populace wasn't so lazy they'd happily employ native Emirates over foreigners, and if middle east science and technology weren't so backward they'd happily make their own weapons, and drill and refine their own oil without any interference from the west. They need us and they resent us. It is their country, and they make/change/obey/disobey the rules as they see fit.
Do I blame expats for going there? Absolutely not, everybody must do what is in their best interest and for some people this lifestyle just works. Would I ever go back? Sure, there is a number I'd go back for, but others have proven they're willing to work there for a LOT less so there is no realistic chance I'd return to work for them. The only way I'd ever willingly go back to the middle east would be flying a legacy jumbo for a long layover, or dropping bombs from a fighter (also highly unlikely as I'm retired, but a man can dream right?).
Of course that is just my opinion, but I feel like I've earned my right to it. Back to the OP, if you can be hired by a U.S. legacy this is not a choice.
11-30-2014, 01:34 PM
#96
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: A-320
Posts: 6,929
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
^^^^This.
We think making 250K a year is a lot of money. When you compare it to 50K/yr it is but when you are sitting next to a few Wall Street Bankers or Longshoremen, you realize it Aint DOO DOO
As a XXXXXX pilot, you are mingling with and living around the richest of richest. You are nothing but a hired servant. Take a look at inflation too.
TEN
We think making 250K a year is a lot of money. When you compare it to 50K/yr it is but when you are sitting next to a few Wall Street Bankers or Longshoremen, you realize it Aint DOO DOO
As a XXXXXX pilot, you are mingling with and living around the richest of richest. You are nothing but a hired servant. Take a look at inflation too.
TEN
, I mean c'mooooooon
12-01-2014, 10:20 AM
#99
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,522
Originally Posted by marcal
You have to remember that at Emirates then only thing you are paying for is good and cell phines. Everything is provided. And for non Americans it is zero tax.
12-01-2014, 11:04 AM
#100
Doesn't Get Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,598
Originally Posted by Delta1067
I had no idea the pay was so bad at EK. I don't know if the APC pay scales tell the entire story but it looks like most legacy FO's far out earn EK Captains.
I made over 15K in Nov as a narrowbody FO at DAL. Heck I make 10K on my reserve guarantee. No way I would ever wish to be at Emirates.
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