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Old 11-27-2014, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post
I know of two NB FO's who are going to break $250k on flight pay alone, NOT including 401k of 15%. Newhires at DAL and AAL are being told 5yr upgrades to NB CA right now.
Can someone explain to me how this is possible based on the hourly rates? I'm not questioning the validity of it, I'm just trying to figure out how. Can you actually credit 120+ hrs/mo. at DL?
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Old 11-27-2014, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Airway View Post
Can someone explain to me how this is possible based on the hourly rates? I'm not questioning the validity of it, I'm just trying to figure out how. Can you actually credit 120+ hrs/mo. at DL?
I'm a wide body fo and my monthly credit average for the year was 133. I wasn't the highest by any stretch in my category.
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Old 11-27-2014, 04:33 PM
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I'm a wide body fo and my monthly credit average for the year was 133. I wasn't the highest by any stretch in my category.
That's pretty good but how do you manage that much soft time?
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Old 11-27-2014, 05:52 PM
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That's pretty good but how do you manage that much soft time?
Mostly by managing the 100 in 672 look back and flying greenslips. Payback days from greenslips flown on reserve help too. If you're not at dal, please don't ask for an explanation of each term.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:17 PM
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Can someone explain to me how this is possible based on the hourly rates? I'm not questioning the validity of it, I'm just trying to figure out how. Can you actually credit 120+ hrs/mo. at DL?
Last month I was paid for 156 hours and worked 13 days. This month it's 124 hours working 15 days. While not the norm, it is entirely possible when they get short in your category.
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there is an active int'l guy teaching scuba part time at one of the resorts. He told one the agents that he was coming down to be an old retired curmudgeon skipper.....She told him he was too late....
Your retirement job?
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I blocked 68 and was paid 145 for Oct. Should break $200K on 5th year pay.
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Old 11-28-2014, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1 View Post
I'm a wide body fo and my monthly credit average for the year was 133. I wasn't the highest by any stretch in my category.
Originally Posted by Pro Fessional View Post
Last month I was paid for 156 hours and worked 13 days. This month it's 124 hours working 15 days. While not the norm, it is entirely possible when they get short in your category.
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I blocked 68 and was paid 145 for Oct. Should break $200K on 5th year pay.



....and I thought my 2014 average 102 hrs/mo. credit and 14 working days was good...

Well done gentlemen!
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Jesus, is this because you guys are short staffed? Or has it always been like this? Either way, well done, lol
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Jesus, is this because you guys are short staffed? Or has it always been like this? Either way, well done, lol
It's a combination...

The Co. started about 4-6 months late to start hiring, and now it will be extremely difficult to catch up.

It also has a lot to do with soft time and premium pay. Most airlines have a 150% premium pay system, DAL pays 200%. Using restored days off and pay above guarantee opportunities while on reserve help in various ways. Increasing the pay for training, home CD's, vacation, increasing the ADG up to 5:15, etc. all piles up on itself. (oh, and having a company that is paying 15-17% in profit sharing doesn't hurt either).

A contract is WAY WAY WAY more than the Section 3 paytable. They are but one number in the multiplication table that is total pilot pay!


Example:
Senior pilot bids reserve for 76:00.
Places all 13 days off at the beginning of the month (preferably one that has lots of bad weather).
Puts in for premium flying on day one.
Gets a 3 day trip for 16:00. Pay for the reserve goes above his guarantee, now he is making 92:00.
The three days off he didn't have now get moved to his first three "on call" days + 10:00 for rest. Now he is "on long call" starting the 18th at 10:00.
He has one day off, then gets called again for another 3 day for 16:00.
They add three more days off +10:00 over his reserve days.
Now it's the 7th of the month, he is crediting 108, and doesn't go "on call" until 21st at 20:00.
No fly on the 8-10.
Gets a 4 day on the 11th worth 22:00.
Paid 130:00, days off moved to the 26th at 0800.
Takes 15-16 off.
Gets a 4 day again. Paid 152:00, days moved to 29th at 1800.
22nd, gets a 3 day for 16.
NOW IT GETS FUN!
Month ends on the 30th... can't get any days off restored, right? Wrong!
The days off that he is owed go into a bank. 2.5 days in the bank.
Takes 25th off.
Gets another 4 day 26-29. 174 hrs. pay., 6.5/7 days in the bank.
Gets a day trip on the 30th. 180 pay. 8 days in the bank.

Yeah, he worked 19 days.... for 180 hours of pay.
Now he has 8 "payback days" available for use.

Bid a line in the next month for 88:00. Drop 2 of your 4 day trips worth 44 hours with the 8 payback days.
Get a Green slip for 4 days at 200% as a lineholder. Now you get 88+44=132 for 12 days.
Do it again and get another 4 day, you get 176 hrs. for working 16 days, the same as your originally bid schedule!

That adds up to around 356 hours for two months. Very frequent, no... Done enough that it can happen with some planning and category seniority, absolutely.

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