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04-06-2015, 11:22 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,898
Originally Posted by captjns
No... PTF operations and sponsor pander to one thing only... Providing a means to those who want to bypas the normal progression within the profession.
04-06-2015, 02:22 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 239
While not a scab!
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
04-06-2015, 04:16 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,166
Originally Posted by ridinhigh
While not a scab!
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
Some the scummiest people in the industry have had some of the best careers because they didn't care one iota about integrity. Integrity is something regional first officers who are still stuck in the left seat at 8 years talk about when they try and berate those that leave and go to some of the less desirable regionals to get a quicker upgrade. At the end of the day Integrity is just a word people use to make themselves seems better than they really are.
Last edited by CanoePilot; 04-06-2015 at 04:27 PM.
04-06-2015, 05:42 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,214
Being willing to pay for a job is taboo? What about guys that take a job with a training bond? Aren't you 'paying' for your job since you have to pay if you leave?
What about flying for a lousy operation that will give you a quick upgrade? Or taking a low paying job that improves your resume?
Or 'knowing someone' that helps you get a jump on your peers?
Are those also low integrity moves?
Pay their dues via normal progression? Everyone's scrambling to improve their odds. Just like guys are jumping ship from stagnation carriers to 'quick upgrade' operators. Or trying to figure out which regional they should get on if they're a low time guy today. How many young guys are saying "which one is projecting a 6-10 yr stagnation so I can pay my dues and advance via normal progression?"
What about flying for a lousy operation that will give you a quick upgrade? Or taking a low paying job that improves your resume?
Or 'knowing someone' that helps you get a jump on your peers?
Are those also low integrity moves?
Pay their dues via normal progression? Everyone's scrambling to improve their odds. Just like guys are jumping ship from stagnation carriers to 'quick upgrade' operators. Or trying to figure out which regional they should get on if they're a low time guy today. How many young guys are saying "which one is projecting a 6-10 yr stagnation so I can pay my dues and advance via normal progression?"
04-06-2015, 07:38 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 473
Originally Posted by ridinhigh
While not a scab!
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
Defiantly not a good sign on the character of a person. Willing to take shortcuts at the expense of other pilots who have moral integrity. Those who would never PFT and never respect anyone who did.
Trying to say PFT is ok only comes from those who did it and are trying to make themselves feel good about their ill advised decision that will stick with them their entire career.
Can't undo that portion of a resume and I'm glad it's mostly over in the US.
But Gulfstream is a red flag on any resume and some people who do the hiring out there just might care still. I know I do.
Pay your dues, you just might learn something.
Additionally, and despite your opinion, Gulfstream pilots got hired at just about every legacy and major. Yours assumption that their resume has a red flag is only an opinion, and a wrong one.
If I could go back and save myself years of CFI and painful 135 low paying jobs, I would do their program. At the end I would have been economically ahead. But the most important thing would have been the saving in time. Unfortunately I was young and I listened to opinions like yours, and the guys that did not listen to that, and went to PFT programs are now captains in legacies, or senior captains in major airlines.
04-06-2015, 07:46 PM
#28
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
Gulfstream used to hire street captains, they did not pay for training. Are those to be blamed too?
Additionally, and despite your opinion, Gulfstream pilots got hired at just about every legacy and major. Yours assumption that their resume has a red flag is only an opinion, and a wrong one.
If I could go back and save myself years of CFI and painful 135 low paying jobs, I would do their program. At the end I would have been economically ahead. But the most important thing would have been the saving in time. Unfortunately I was young and I listened to opinions like yours, and the guys that did not listen to that, and went to PFT programs are now captains in legacies, or senior captains in major airlines.
Additionally, and despite your opinion, Gulfstream pilots got hired at just about every legacy and major. Yours assumption that their resume has a red flag is only an opinion, and a wrong one.
If I could go back and save myself years of CFI and painful 135 low paying jobs, I would do their program. At the end I would have been economically ahead. But the most important thing would have been the saving in time. Unfortunately I was young and I listened to opinions like yours, and the guys that did not listen to that, and went to PFT programs are now captains in legacies, or senior captains in major airlines.
04-06-2015, 08:00 PM
#30
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
And your point is?
What about the accidents in the majors, in which they were not involved?
What about the accidents in the majors, in which they were not involved?
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