Norwegian Shuttle hiring US-based 787 pilots
10-17-2016, 04:43 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by Roundup
It might be bad for your career, but for some it's a good job. There are plenty of pilots who feel that they don't owe ALPA anything.
To expect a union to promote/endorse such a cause is antithetical to the purpose of the union.
10-17-2016, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Roundup
. For pilots without a degree or something just as irrelevant this could be a good job. You know like the Sun Country pilots.
10-17-2016, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Roundup
. For pilots without a degree or something just as irrelevant this could be a good job. You know like the Sun Country pilots.
10-17-2016, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TLDR
I asked and it looks like the pay is $5,500/mo for FOs and $10,000/mo for CAs + $1,000 monthly per diem. I'm from the FLL area and it seems like a decent deal to me. Probably wouldn't commute in for this gig though, with only 10 days off per month.
10-17-2016, 11:58 PM
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When it comes to NAI, pilots and mgmt are in lockstep against the flag of convenience scheme.
Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned.
Please shut the ef up, with a capital ef. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you do a major disservice to the memory of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people killed trying to escape communism. Organized labor bettering all of labor in pay and quality of life is in no way even remotely connected to the horror that is communism.
Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned.
Originally Posted by captjns
Reads like the typical rhetoric from Rodina or Motherland-National Patriotic Union is a political party in Russia.
10-18-2016, 01:21 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by Grumble
When it comes to NAI, pilots and mgmt are in lockstep against the flag of convenience scheme.
Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned.
Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned.
Anyway, when bodies needed regardless of their past will be used to move the metal. I'll bet the shareholders couldn't give a rats a$$ where their pilots come. As long as they qualified, and meet Part 121.436 and insurance requirements and they make it though the selection process.
Remember all the naysayers decried "Those who work(ed) for the ME3 would never be welcome back in the US?" Well? How's that working for you? Must be pretty angry... hey Grumble? After all, wouldn't it be hypercritical not to accept a former NAI pilots in your company while allowing the "so-called evil traitor pilots" who defected to overseas carriers?
These "You've been warned
" chest beaters crack me up.
Please shut the ef up, with a capital ef. You have no idea what you're talking about, and you do a major disservice to the memory of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people killed trying to escape communism. Organized labor bettering all of labor in pay and quality of life is in no way even remotely connected to the horror that is communism.
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10-18-2016, 02:42 AM
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Few years back when nobody was hiring I accepted a job overseas that pays just a little better as the Norwegian first year fo pay. I got my apps in with some US carriers but so far nothing has happened. Looking at the median age of those hired at the Legacies I seem to be a bit old. If they would hire me I would be in the right seat until the day I retire. If any of them call, would I go? Yes. Do I make any illusions of them calling? With 10.000 applications on file.... no.
I am looking at the first and second year pay at the various regionals and LCC's in the US and that pay pay is far below what Norwegian pays, and at those salaries.... I can't afford to even take those jobs! Got kids that need to go to college, got a house to pay for, got a retirement that still needs to be started.
Now Norwegian comes, I would qualify for relief captain or even captain, so my salary would increase by potentially quite a bit. I can put money away for retirement. After 3 years I am free to go. China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam..... at salaries that are above very senior legacy captain rates, something I would never attain if those legacies would ever hire me.
Looking at some others: Atlas, first year is pathetic. Skylease, Western Global (that is / was hiring only through an agency!), Centurion. All very low pay, poor conditions and lucky if the paycheck comes. Omni, Eastern, Sun Country and a bunch of charter airlines... low pay.
Many friends keep telling me: "we are hiring". First year pay: 2200 to 3500 a month. That will dig a hole in my bank account. One thing I learned after several of my employers furloughing or going out of business: it is not a good thing when the bottom of your bank account comes into view. And don't work for a company owned by a hedge fund "invester", like we saw at Ryan, ATA, Gemini, World, Arrow. Coincidentally: a lot of guys from those companies had to escape to foreign cariers, many are still there.
If Alpa wants to stop carriers like Norwegian they need to start doing one thing: make airlines start paying livable wages! From day one.
There are so many US pilots working overseas that would be willing to come back, what is keeping them away is the starting pay. The airlines still have their head stuck in the sand.
Captains now flying overseas and wanting to come back to the US and don't want to be stuck back in the right seat could find a good opportunity in Norwegian. Maybe less pay, but who cares if you have a few years to go until retirement. And so what about jumpseating? Buy a $400 ticket once or twice a month, less stress, less hassle.
I am looking at the first and second year pay at the various regionals and LCC's in the US and that pay pay is far below what Norwegian pays, and at those salaries.... I can't afford to even take those jobs! Got kids that need to go to college, got a house to pay for, got a retirement that still needs to be started.
Now Norwegian comes, I would qualify for relief captain or even captain, so my salary would increase by potentially quite a bit. I can put money away for retirement. After 3 years I am free to go. China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam..... at salaries that are above very senior legacy captain rates, something I would never attain if those legacies would ever hire me.
Looking at some others: Atlas, first year is pathetic. Skylease, Western Global (that is / was hiring only through an agency!), Centurion. All very low pay, poor conditions and lucky if the paycheck comes. Omni, Eastern, Sun Country and a bunch of charter airlines... low pay.
Many friends keep telling me: "we are hiring". First year pay: 2200 to 3500 a month. That will dig a hole in my bank account. One thing I learned after several of my employers furloughing or going out of business: it is not a good thing when the bottom of your bank account comes into view. And don't work for a company owned by a hedge fund "invester", like we saw at Ryan, ATA, Gemini, World, Arrow. Coincidentally: a lot of guys from those companies had to escape to foreign cariers, many are still there.
If Alpa wants to stop carriers like Norwegian they need to start doing one thing: make airlines start paying livable wages! From day one.
There are so many US pilots working overseas that would be willing to come back, what is keeping them away is the starting pay. The airlines still have their head stuck in the sand.
Captains now flying overseas and wanting to come back to the US and don't want to be stuck back in the right seat could find a good opportunity in Norwegian. Maybe less pay, but who cares if you have a few years to go until retirement. And so what about jumpseating? Buy a $400 ticket once or twice a month, less stress, less hassle.
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10-18-2016, 03:00 AM
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@Grumble: quote:Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned. End quote.
Obviously you never had the pleasure of getting a furlough letter from your ALPA carrier as a protected employee. I have had several. First one after FEDEX and the USPS got in bed together in 2001, the airline folded 3 years later. Two other a few years later same thing. At one of these airlines we had a guy who got furloughed from USAIR after being an fo for 16 years. He thought he had it made.
The only right you have as a furloughed protected union member is that they have to look at you if the company survives and eventually needing people again. Other than that, your rights are the same as at any contract agency. Did my Alpa membership help any once I got furloughed? They organised a job fair, during which we were told (insulted) by a Comair recruiter that our 4-5000 hrs of total time was not qualifying because we had not flown 200 hours in the last 6 month (we were second officers on 727's), yet a guy with 800 hours flying a C172 around Florida would qualify. Besides that, no the membership did not help a thing.
Obviously you never had the pleasure of getting a furlough letter from your ALPA carrier as a protected employee. I have had several. First one after FEDEX and the USPS got in bed together in 2001, the airline folded 3 years later. Two other a few years later same thing. At one of these airlines we had a guy who got furloughed from USAIR after being an fo for 16 years. He thought he had it made.
The only right you have as a furloughed protected union member is that they have to look at you if the company survives and eventually needing people again. Other than that, your rights are the same as at any contract agency. Did my Alpa membership help any once I got furloughed? They organised a job fair, during which we were told (insulted) by a Comair recruiter that our 4-5000 hrs of total time was not qualifying because we had not flown 200 hours in the last 6 month (we were second officers on 727's), yet a guy with 800 hours flying a C172 around Florida would qualify. Besides that, no the membership did not help a thing.
10-18-2016, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KC135
That doesn't seem too bad for first year pay. I'm assuming year 2 pay jumps up significantly similar to UPS?
10-18-2016, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Go to work for NAI, then when your contract isn't renewed (because you're not an employee) or you decide you want to come home and have some semblance of a paycheck and some QOL.... Good luck with that, you've been warned.
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