Pre 9/11 payscales
02-21-2007, 07:24 AM
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Pre 9/11 payscales
Does anyone have a pre 9/11 (or pre 30-40% concession contract) pay sclaes for any of the legacy carriers?
This would be a great resource as ALL of the legacies are going to be in contract negotiations within the next 2 or so years.
Thanks
This would be a great resource as ALL of the legacies are going to be in contract negotiations within the next 2 or so years.
Thanks
02-21-2007, 10:11 AM
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American Airlines First Officer Rates effective 8/31/99
A/C type*****2nd year*****7th year*****12th year
MD80********60.63*******109.12*******120.46
767*********66.15*******119.06*******131.43
777-300******78.48*******141.25*******155.93
Sorry I don't have Capt rates. Twelve year FO rates times 1.5 would get you fairly close. This chart lists the following A/C; 777-300, 777-200, 747SP, DC10-30, DC10-10, A300, 767-300, 767-2ER, 767, 757, 737-800, 727-200B, 727-223, 727-100, MD80, 737-300, 737-200, F100...yes that's 19 of them. It looks like they are currently 12-15% below the 99 rates. Hope this helps.
A/C type*****2nd year*****7th year*****12th year
MD80********60.63*******109.12*******120.46
767*********66.15*******119.06*******131.43
777-300******78.48*******141.25*******155.93
Sorry I don't have Capt rates. Twelve year FO rates times 1.5 would get you fairly close. This chart lists the following A/C; 777-300, 777-200, 747SP, DC10-30, DC10-10, A300, 767-300, 767-2ER, 767, 757, 737-800, 727-200B, 727-223, 727-100, MD80, 737-300, 737-200, F100...yes that's 19 of them. It looks like they are currently 12-15% below the 99 rates. Hope this helps.
Last edited by SWAcapt; 02-21-2007 at 10:22 AM.
02-22-2007, 05:14 AM
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Here are the pre-concession 12th year rates at NWA:
CAPT
747-400......273.15
747............259.87
A330..........246.00
DC10..........244.78
757............219.96
A320..........211.70
DC9...........191.20
FO
747-400......185.74
747............176.71
A330..........167.28
DC10..........166.45
757............149.57
A320..........143.96
DC9............130.02
SO
747............155.92
DC10..........146.87
Hope that is helpful.
CAPT
747-400......273.15
747............259.87
A330..........246.00
DC10..........244.78
757............219.96
A320..........211.70
DC9...........191.20
FO
747-400......185.74
747............176.71
A330..........167.28
DC10..........166.45
757............149.57
A320..........143.96
DC9............130.02
SO
747............155.92
DC10..........146.87
Hope that is helpful.
02-22-2007, 06:27 AM
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remeber ryan that a more important part of a contract than pay rate is the section that refers to QOL and benefits. good QOL and benefits are the equivalen in $ of 30%-40% of hourly rates. bringing that back would be more important than bringing back pay rates.
02-22-2007, 06:57 AM
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For comparison...pre-9/11 leading regional payrates
Comair 2001 Contract 6/05 Rates
CA---CR7----CR2
5---73.66---66.96
5---78.32---71.20
8---85.81---78.01
12--98.67---88.10
18-118.22--105.55
Air Wisconsin 2001 Contract 8/05 Rates
CA---146---CL65
3----81.18---67.65
5----86.29---71.91
8----94.54---78.79
12---106.79--88.99
18---127.86--106.60
CA---CR7----CR2
5---73.66---66.96
5---78.32---71.20
8---85.81---78.01
12--98.67---88.10
18-118.22--105.55
Air Wisconsin 2001 Contract 8/05 Rates
CA---146---CL65
3----81.18---67.65
5----86.29---71.91
8----94.54---78.79
12---106.79--88.99
18---127.86--106.60
Last edited by BoilerUP; 02-22-2007 at 07:03 AM.
02-22-2007, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by greedyairlineexec
remeber ryan that a more important part of a contract than pay rate is the section that refers to QOL and benefits. good QOL and benefits are the equivalen in $ of 30%-40% of hourly rates. bringing that back would be more important than bringing back pay rates.
02-23-2007, 04:27 AM
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 63
Originally Posted by Ellen
Show me your calculation that QOL and benefits are equivalent to 30-40% of hourly wages. Please post your spread sheet.
Once the kids have have graduated from college, the money might be more important. However, that's still 16 years away.
02-23-2007, 06:01 AM
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ATA's were far worse than they are now, but in 2002 they became pretty damn good, getting better.
However, in 2004 the first of 3 rounds of concessions began along with BK.
However, in 2004 the first of 3 rounds of concessions began along with BK.
02-23-2007, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dl_1011
Here are the pre-concession 12th year rates at NWA:
CAPT
747-400......273.15
747............259.87
A330..........246.00
DC10..........244.78
757............219.96
A320..........211.70
DC9...........191.20
FO
747-400......185.74
747............176.71
A330..........167.28
DC10..........166.45
757............149.57
A320..........143.96
DC9............130.02
SO
747............155.92
DC10..........146.87
Hope that is helpful.
CAPT
747-400......273.15
747............259.87
A330..........246.00
DC10..........244.78
757............219.96
A320..........211.70
DC9...........191.20
FO
747-400......185.74
747............176.71
A330..........167.28
DC10..........166.45
757............149.57
A320..........143.96
DC9............130.02
SO
747............155.92
DC10..........146.87
Hope that is helpful.
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