Just when you thought it was over, NWA tries to put it NWA/DAL together again.
03-28-2008, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Stand by for RA to say: "OK guys, I managed to stall this take-away for another week, but you have to act now. I've done all I can, and the BOD is about ready to go ahead without giving you anything." If the MECs do agree on a list, this gives them the political cover of having had "a gun to their heads" when the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins. 
03-28-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
What's amazing is that management believes they will alienate the labor group with the largest influence over energy costs and expect to realize operational efficiencies.
03-28-2008, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Tractor Bob
Not trying to be offensive to anyone....But, it seems to me management doesn't need the pilots advice or consent to merge. I can't think of any mergers where anyone cared what pilots think. They offered some $$$ to get you guys to agree, for whatever reason you didn't. No money just time to bend over and take it. That really sucks for a lot of great men and women pilots who, for a brief moment, had leverage and a chance to get something meaningful out the company. I wish you all the best. All mergers suck.
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03-29-2008, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Tractor Bob
Not trying to be offensive to anyone....But, it seems to me management doesn't need the pilots advice or consent to merge. I can't think of any mergers where anyone cared what pilots think. They offered some $$$ to get you guys to agree, for whatever reason you didn't. No money just time to bend over and take it. That really sucks for a lot of great men and women pilots who, for a brief moment, had leverage and a chance to get something meaningful out the company. I wish you all the best. All mergers suck.
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03-29-2008, 02:50 AM
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Contracts with management remind me of the treaties with the Native Americans. I.E. you can have everything west of the Mississippi. I had a no furlough clause at an airline, once....Still furloughed.
Somehow they(management) always find a way around it(that pesky contract). Thankfully, I don't have a dog in this fight....I sincerely wish you luck.
Somehow they(management) always find a way around it(that pesky contract). Thankfully, I don't have a dog in this fight....I sincerely wish you luck.
03-29-2008, 05:04 AM
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Keep in mind that when he was at NWA, Anderson dealt with the whole red book/green book thing and saw the strife created by that firsthand. He doesn't want to see that happen with a DAL/NWA merger - but that can all change of course if oil hits $120/bbl. Like others have stated hopefully we can work something out if they decide to merge - I'd personally hate to see a division between the groups like they have with US Air East/West.
03-29-2008, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Skywriting
It is really quite simple. If the boards of directors say it will happen. Guess what! It will happen.
Didn't the boards of UAL and AAA say a merger was going to happen? How'd that one work out?
Dougie Parker thought LCC/DAL was a slam dunk. His board, a whole lotta banks and some DAL creditors thought so too. How'd that one work out?
03-29-2008, 07:39 AM
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Slowplay,
I know you are against this merger but comparing it with America West attempts last year you are mixing apples and oranges. First, KLM/Air France have fronted 1B to help subsidize this deal plus there are numerous other investors that are pushing for it as well. Not to mention that both BODs want this deal to happen. The published business plan would have the combined airline profitable at 120bl. (If you wish to dispute this number please call your rep and ask him/her. This number was officially published by R.A and was another justification for the merger).
Since there are many forces that are desirous for this to happen the respective pilot groups should refocus their efforts and accept the fact that this may happen whether we want it to or not. Ergo, bashing each other is a waste of time whereas recognizing that this may happen and work toward an equitable agreement would be more productive.
I know you are against this merger but comparing it with America West attempts last year you are mixing apples and oranges. First, KLM/Air France have fronted 1B to help subsidize this deal plus there are numerous other investors that are pushing for it as well. Not to mention that both BODs want this deal to happen. The published business plan would have the combined airline profitable at 120bl. (If you wish to dispute this number please call your rep and ask him/her. This number was officially published by R.A and was another justification for the merger).
Since there are many forces that are desirous for this to happen the respective pilot groups should refocus their efforts and accept the fact that this may happen whether we want it to or not. Ergo, bashing each other is a waste of time whereas recognizing that this may happen and work toward an equitable agreement would be more productive.
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