NWA and DAL back on track
04-02-2008, 04:28 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I can't believe it but that is correct. The tide was raising all ships and it was not Delta's tide. It was a combined company who was paying this not one or the other. Hence, its not Deltas goodies to give.
04-02-2008, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Still missed the point
04-02-2008, 05:57 PM
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Do Northwest pilots who were furloughed after 9-11 receive years of credit while they were furloughed? If so, no change with DAL rules, but if they did not, they would get this credit with a joint contract. If this deal went through all the NW guys who were furloughed after 9-11 would then be credited for time furloughed. If someone was furloughed for 3 years they would receive 3 more years of longevity for pay/vacation credit etc. The way the economy is going and the way this industry is managed could make that more important than pay rate changes for junior guys at both airlines.
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04-02-2008, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Who did me or you? Were you not getting an 11% raise just to come into parity with our contract then a 7% raise on top of that. The Delta guys were getting a 7% raise period (first year of the contract, all after then I agree same raise for all).
04-03-2008, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Agreed the raise would have been bigger, but ultimately a raise for all. My point was that the raises were going to come from the collective of both NWAs and Deltas wallet.
The cram down alternative was a creation of NWA's management and it is alleged to not include all of the pilots.
There is a pretty stark difference between the prior positions of the two management teams.
If those who say a compromise will be reached are correct, then it will be less than what was already on the table.
No disrespect, but I hope that we can come together to fight this thing, hard.
04-03-2008, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Agreed the raise would have been bigger, but ultimately a raise for all. My point was that the raises were going to come from the collective of both NWAs and Deltas wallet.
It seems to me that from the NWALPA's perspective when they bring something to the table (all those 787s, more "premium flying, Tokyo, etc.), its theirs but when DALPA brings something (777, pay rates, DC plan, work rules, 200+ widebody positions, etc.), it's the "collective... wallet". The old what's yours is mine (the collective), and what mine is mine.
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04-03-2008, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sully606
It seems to me that from the NWALPA's perspective when they bring something to the table (all those 787s, more "premium flying, Tokyo, etc.), its theirs but when DALPA brings something (777, pay rates, DB plan, work rules, 200+ widebody positions, etc.), it's the "collective... wallet". The old what's yours is mine (the collective), and what mine is mine.
04-03-2008, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
DB Plan? DAL is considering re-creating a DB plan? I hadn't heard of that. That would make a big difference to the lower half of the NWA list whose frozen DB is less than PBGC guarantee....
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