DAL & NWA Pilots To Take Contract to Management on May 29th
06-03-2008, 05:36 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Some things just off the top of my head right now I can think of are:
Family Leave - I have elderly parents, and it's good to give my sister a break now and then.
NASAP - we all mess up every now and then..........10 years on the jet mean nothing when your tired.
Other work rule stuff I'd love to just sit and compare. I know our reserve guys want to keep our 75 hour rule.
Ferd
Family Leave - I have elderly parents, and it's good to give my sister a break now and then.
NASAP - we all mess up every now and then..........10 years on the jet mean nothing when your tired.
Other work rule stuff I'd love to just sit and compare. I know our reserve guys want to keep our 75 hour rule.
Ferd
Heyas Ferd and others,
GREAT thread. Nice to get past the he said/she said...
The 10.5 day JS really is NICE, and it lets you sleep at night knowing you'll get to work. At NWA, we can book it via automated phone (VRS) or the internet. There's even a 3rd party program that lets you book it unattended. VERY slick.
The "call in honest" helps also. Basically, you need a primary and a backup. If your back up is NWA, and if it looks like you're not going to get on, you make a call, and BINGO, you're on. No questions asked. The caveot is that if they have reserve coverage for your trip, they MAY say "well get here when you can, and you can pick up the rest of your trip" with no pay protection. No biggie, and worth the cost.
NASAP and FOQA. Simply THE most important two safety programs in the last 15 years. NASAP rocks, and it's not even fair comparing it to a NASA form.
I'm all for working less, so 70 hour reserve is good for me, as long as the days off are increased commensurate with the reduced guarantee. If you want more, sign up for more.
I'd like to retain the NWA APA system. It provides flexibility to move around if you want, rather than 3-4 times a year. Getting rid of the block-reserve positions may negate that somewhat.
The AtlasBid (our PBS) is pretty slick. Bids in by the 12th, and awards out by the 16th. No complaints there at all. Since we fixed the open time mess, it has gone back to being one of the best systems around.
Nu
06-03-2008, 06:27 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by johnso29
That's why there is a risk w/sitting long call reserve. I can say that I don't see the jumpseat locked up more than a couple days out though. Usually there is always a way to get to work. My last resort is driving....which wouldn't be that bad if gas was cheaper.
06-03-2008, 06:39 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas Ferd and others,
GREAT thread. Nice to get past the he said/she said...
The 10.5 day JS really is NICE, and it lets you sleep at night knowing you'll get to work. At NWA, we can book it via automated phone (VRS) or the internet. There's even a 3rd party program that lets you book it unattended. VERY slick.
The "call in honest" helps also. Basically, you need a primary and a backup. If your back up is NWA, and if it looks like you're not going to get on, you make a call, and BINGO, you're on. No questions asked. The caveot is that if they have reserve coverage for your trip, they MAY say "well get here when you can, and you can pick up the rest of your trip" with no pay protection. No biggie, and worth the cost.
NASAP and FOQA. Simply THE most important two safety programs in the last 15 years. NASAP rocks, and it's not even fair comparing it to a NASA form.
I'm all for working less, so 70 hour reserve is good for me, as long as the days off are increased commensurate with the reduced guarantee. If you want more, sign up for more.
I'd like to retain the NWA APA system. It provides flexibility to move around if you want, rather than 3-4 times a year. Getting rid of the block-reserve positions may negate that somewhat.
The AtlasBid (our PBS) is pretty slick. Bids in by the 12th, and awards out by the 16th. No complaints there at all. Since we fixed the open time mess, it has gone back to being one of the best systems around.
Nu
GREAT thread. Nice to get past the he said/she said...
The 10.5 day JS really is NICE, and it lets you sleep at night knowing you'll get to work. At NWA, we can book it via automated phone (VRS) or the internet. There's even a 3rd party program that lets you book it unattended. VERY slick.
The "call in honest" helps also. Basically, you need a primary and a backup. If your back up is NWA, and if it looks like you're not going to get on, you make a call, and BINGO, you're on. No questions asked. The caveot is that if they have reserve coverage for your trip, they MAY say "well get here when you can, and you can pick up the rest of your trip" with no pay protection. No biggie, and worth the cost.
NASAP and FOQA. Simply THE most important two safety programs in the last 15 years. NASAP rocks, and it's not even fair comparing it to a NASA form.
I'm all for working less, so 70 hour reserve is good for me, as long as the days off are increased commensurate with the reduced guarantee. If you want more, sign up for more.
I'd like to retain the NWA APA system. It provides flexibility to move around if you want, rather than 3-4 times a year. Getting rid of the block-reserve positions may negate that somewhat.
The AtlasBid (our PBS) is pretty slick. Bids in by the 12th, and awards out by the 16th. No complaints there at all. Since we fixed the open time mess, it has gone back to being one of the best systems around.
Nu
Our PBS is essentially the second iteration that we have been thru here at DAL. We learned a lot on the first one which was produced by AdOpt.. and that one sucked big beach balls.. This one is really good though. It will be interesting to cherry pick the two of these also. We have similar timelines.. in on 12 and usually out by the 15th or 16th +/-.
I'm new to reserve for the first time in 15 years, and the system has changed a lot here since then. The thing I most desperately want to see is a reserve system that recognizes seniority with respect to picking up trips, and also a short call system that has a logic. Currently the scheduler CAN place you on 8 SC days/month, and it is all at his/her whim. You can sit SC with only 1 day of availability, and they will not release you until (typically) the last commuter flight home has left for the day (Murphy's law). I want that changed too.
How about vacations? Does PBS place them on your line PRIOR to awarding your sched? This is essentially what ours does, so it can be good if you want to fly alot in a vacation month (mo money) or bad if you prefer mo time off... Catch 22 I guess.
Anybody got any other stuff that might be interesting?
06-03-2008, 07:05 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by tsquare
How about vacations? Does PBS place them on your line PRIOR to awarding your sched? This is essentially what ours does, so it can be good if you want to fly alot in a vacation month (mo money) or bad if you prefer mo time off... Catch 22 I guess.
Anybody got any other stuff that might be interesting?
Anybody got any other stuff that might be interesting?
EX: If someone has vacation 7-14 Jul, those dates will reflect Vac and wont award a trip during those dates. BUT, we can also "shift" our vacation +/- 3 days. So, if a trip I really wanted started on the 13th, I could "shift" my vacation -2 days so it would now be Jul 5-12.
Clear as mud?
06-03-2008, 07:56 AM
#105
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Originally Posted by tsquare
If you have to call in honest, do there have to be seats available on the flight for you to get PS, or will they bump a revenue pax?
Yes, if you call in honest they will bump a paying passenger. The logic is the bumped passenger costs $ and the misconnected passengers or cancelled flight will cost $$$$ if you can't get to work on time. I've only called in honest twice over the years, and one of those I was ok anyway (open seats).
It's a great stress reducer, hope we can keep it.
Ferd
06-03-2008, 07:58 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by tsquare;395898[B
]If you have to call in honest, do there have to be seats available on the flight for you to get PS, or will they bump a revenue pax?[/B]
Our PBS is essentially the second iteration that we have been thru here at DAL. We learned a lot on the first one which was produced by AdOpt.. and that one sucked big beach balls.. This one is really good though. It will be interesting to cherry pick the two of these also. We have similar timelines.. in on 12 and usually out by the 15th or 16th +/-.
I'm new to reserve for the first time in 15 years, and the system has changed a lot here since then. The thing I most desperately want to see is a reserve system that recognizes seniority with respect to picking up trips, and also a short call system that has a logic. Currently the scheduler CAN place you on 8 SC days/month, and it is all at his/her whim. You can sit SC with only 1 day of availability, and they will not release you until (typically) the last commuter flight home has left for the day (Murphy's law). I want that changed too.
How about vacations? Does PBS place them on your line PRIOR to awarding your sched? This is essentially what ours does, so it can be good if you want to fly alot in a vacation month (mo money) or bad if you prefer mo time off... Catch 22 I guess.
Anybody got any other stuff that might be interesting?
Our PBS is essentially the second iteration that we have been thru here at DAL. We learned a lot on the first one which was produced by AdOpt.. and that one sucked big beach balls.. This one is really good though. It will be interesting to cherry pick the two of these also. We have similar timelines.. in on 12 and usually out by the 15th or 16th +/-.
I'm new to reserve for the first time in 15 years, and the system has changed a lot here since then. The thing I most desperately want to see is a reserve system that recognizes seniority with respect to picking up trips, and also a short call system that has a logic. Currently the scheduler CAN place you on 8 SC days/month, and it is all at his/her whim. You can sit SC with only 1 day of availability, and they will not release you until (typically) the last commuter flight home has left for the day (Murphy's law). I want that changed too.
How about vacations? Does PBS place them on your line PRIOR to awarding your sched? This is essentially what ours does, so it can be good if you want to fly alot in a vacation month (mo money) or bad if you prefer mo time off... Catch 22 I guess.
Anybody got any other stuff that might be interesting?
06-03-2008, 09:00 AM
#107
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Position: west coast wannabe
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Does NWA uses a raw score system to keep track of how much flying a reserve pilot has credited so far in a month? i.e. The lowest raw score guy will be chosen to fly a trip before the higher raw score? Can somebody explain your reserve system in a nutshell? LC/SC?
At DAL, we can look at the reserve availability list for the next day and see how the raw score stacked up with other reserves, and you can pretty much tell if you'll get to fly or sit home for one more day. Very transparent to both scheduler and pilots. I think it's pretty fair.
At DAL, we can look at the reserve availability list for the next day and see how the raw score stacked up with other reserves, and you can pretty much tell if you'll get to fly or sit home for one more day. Very transparent to both scheduler and pilots. I think it's pretty fair.
06-03-2008, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
Does NWA uses a raw score system to keep track of how much flying a reserve pilot has credited so far in a month? i.e. The lowest raw score guy will be chosen to fly a trip before the higher raw score? Can somebody explain your reserve system in a nutshell? LC/SC?
At DAL, we can look at the reserve availability list for the next day and see how the raw score stacked up with other reserves, and you can pretty much tell if you'll get to fly or sit home for one more day. Very transparent to both scheduler and pilots. I think it's pretty fair.
At DAL, we can look at the reserve availability list for the next day and see how the raw score stacked up with other reserves, and you can pretty much tell if you'll get to fly or sit home for one more day. Very transparent to both scheduler and pilots. I think it's pretty fair.
I know the NWA reserve system here all too well and I am doing you a favor by NOT trying to explain it to you. Just be grateful with the knowledge that that asinine system will NEVER be transfered to the 'New Delta.' (It's that bad)
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