NWA/DAL Joint Info
06-28-2008, 07:01 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
What do you mean "might be confused?" The only thing I know is that I'm always confused.
The claim and notes were for flushing our retiremnet not for 33.5% + 14% pay cuts, $500/mo medical that we now pay, reserve system that sucks, green slip pay reductions, and so on, and so on, and so on...
My one 5.5% profit sharing check plus the occasional $75/mo shared rewards doesn't quite make up for all that. The $124/hr I made in 1999 as a 727 FO sure went a lot further than what I'm making now. I think that is the only profit sharing check I've ever received, but I could be wrong. I did get one from AA Eagle once for $30 and Crandall mailed everyone a $100 bill once.
The reason we are all working for these wages and benifits is because the majority are willing to do so. "In these times" bla bla bla. The downhill slide all started at AA when the pilots caved when management threatened bankruptcy; all the time APA was yelling for us to hold firm.
The claim and notes were for flushing our retiremnet not for 33.5% + 14% pay cuts, $500/mo medical that we now pay, reserve system that sucks, green slip pay reductions, and so on, and so on, and so on...
My one 5.5% profit sharing check plus the occasional $75/mo shared rewards doesn't quite make up for all that. The $124/hr I made in 1999 as a 727 FO sure went a lot further than what I'm making now. I think that is the only profit sharing check I've ever received, but I could be wrong. I did get one from AA Eagle once for $30 and Crandall mailed everyone a $100 bill once.
The reason we are all working for these wages and benifits is because the majority are willing to do so. "In these times" bla bla bla. The downhill slide all started at AA when the pilots caved when management threatened bankruptcy; all the time APA was yelling for us to hold firm.
Carl
06-28-2008, 07:15 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: LAX 350 A
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Absolutely correct sir! A lot of folks (especially AA pilots) forget that post 9/11, it was American that caved first and caved BIG!!
Carl
Carl
We need a national union with the leaders of OPEC running it.
06-28-2008, 03:14 PM
#73
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~~NEWSFLASH~~
OIL $140+ a barrel and going up
INDUSTRY LOSING BIGTIME MOENY
NUMEROUS AIRLINES HAVE CEASED TO EXIST THIS YEAR
MASSIVE INDUSTRY CUTBACKS - CAPASITY REDUCTIONS
ECONOMIC RECESSION ON THE HORIZON
BIG FURLOUGH #'S THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY AND INCREASING
YEAH WE HAVE GREAT NEGOTIATING POWER TO VOTE THIS DOWN AND ASK FOR MORE.
GREED + STUPIDITY = A NO VOTE
OIL $140+ a barrel and going up
INDUSTRY LOSING BIGTIME MOENY
NUMEROUS AIRLINES HAVE CEASED TO EXIST THIS YEAR
MASSIVE INDUSTRY CUTBACKS - CAPASITY REDUCTIONS
ECONOMIC RECESSION ON THE HORIZON
BIG FURLOUGH #'S THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY AND INCREASING
YEAH WE HAVE GREAT NEGOTIATING POWER TO VOTE THIS DOWN AND ASK FOR MORE.
GREED + STUPIDITY = A NO VOTE
06-29-2008, 09:26 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: LAX 350 A
Posts: 564
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
~~NEWSFLASH~~
OIL $140+ a barrel and going up
INDUSTRY LOSING BIGTIME MOENY
NUMEROUS AIRLINES HAVE CEASED TO EXIST THIS YEAR
MASSIVE INDUSTRY CUTBACKS - CAPASITY REDUCTIONS
ECONOMIC RECESSION ON THE HORIZON
BIG FURLOUGH #'S THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY AND INCREASING
YEAH WE HAVE GREAT NEGOTIATING POWER TO VOTE THIS DOWN AND ASK FOR MORE.
GREED + STUPIDITY = A NO VOTE
OIL $140+ a barrel and going up
INDUSTRY LOSING BIGTIME MOENY
NUMEROUS AIRLINES HAVE CEASED TO EXIST THIS YEAR
MASSIVE INDUSTRY CUTBACKS - CAPASITY REDUCTIONS
ECONOMIC RECESSION ON THE HORIZON
BIG FURLOUGH #'S THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY AND INCREASING
YEAH WE HAVE GREAT NEGOTIATING POWER TO VOTE THIS DOWN AND ASK FOR MORE.
GREED + STUPIDITY = A NO VOTE
It sucks that airline managers have to force themselves to make a basic supply and demand model set the price of a ticket rather than just up the fares industry wide. Kinda what we are doing as pilot groups by continuing to work for lower wages for the foreseeable future.
I'm asking for LESS; less years of this agreement. It seems that most people here have given in to the BOHICA pattern bargaining profile.
STUPIDITY = A YES VOTE for a 4 year contract under the current terms
06-29-2008, 09:46 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B767 FO
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by bigdaddie
Maybe try reading before insulting. It is the duration of this agreement that is my major personal sticking point. Everything you stated above is true which should help our pricing power in the future. Who knows what oils going to do, but probably go up. Remember management saying that the business traveler was gone forever?
It sucks that airline managers have to force themselves to make a basic supply and demand model set the price of a ticket rather than just up the fares industry wide. Kinda what we are doing as pilot groups by continuing to work for lower wages for the foreseeable future.
I'm asking for LESS; less years of this agreement. It seems that most people here have given in to the BOHICA pattern bargaining profile.
STUPIDITY = A YES VOTE for a 4 year contract under the current terms
It sucks that airline managers have to force themselves to make a basic supply and demand model set the price of a ticket rather than just up the fares industry wide. Kinda what we are doing as pilot groups by continuing to work for lower wages for the foreseeable future.
I'm asking for LESS; less years of this agreement. It seems that most people here have given in to the BOHICA pattern bargaining profile.
STUPIDITY = A YES VOTE for a 4 year contract under the current terms
06-29-2008, 09:47 AM
#76
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Position: B767 FO
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
I know. Read my above post. I was just stating what I would attach more of a value to: Furlough protection vs. profit sharing.
As posted above, your only security is a strong, profitable company.
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