Nosmo King

Where is the link? LOL

Nevermind, I googled it...

dragon

Just added the link to the original post. Sorry

DALMD88FO

DAL4EVER,

I didn't take the time to read all the posts in this thread but I will say that ACL does trend toward the Kool Aid side. He, or she, is a new hire that apparently has a relative or close friend in management. Everything is not rosy here at Delta. As for making nearly $100K if your off probation, I'm on 9th year MD-88B pay ($92/hr). If you fly the 1,000 hours a year, or atleast get paid for it, then I still fall short of $100k for base pay.

I was really enjoying no one hating us as a group for the short time we had. Then this merger was announced. Remember the one where RA said he wouldn't go forward without the pilot group. So it is what it is. I would like to just fast forward to November 20th and see which pilot group is going to be ****ed off, because one will, and get on with life at the "New Delta".

DALMD88FO
soon to be DAL767FO because I want to break your mythical $100k/year

sailingfun

DAL MD88, If you are in your 9th year and not breaking 100k a year you must work the minimum. Between vacation, training, reroute, and overtime pay most in your situation would easily break 100k. I talked with another copilot who said he was not breaking 100k also. Said he only made 98k last year. I asked if that was his W2 and he replied yes. He put the 15,000 max into his 401k so he actually made 113,000. People tend to leave that part out of their earnings.

DALMD88FO

I get paid at least 80/hours a month. So your point is that in order to make up for our contract pay rates I should work more days to make up the difference. When were you hired, what do you fly? I was making $94/hour in Feb 05 when I came off of furlough, I was on fourth year pay. I'm leaving the Mad Dog on 9th year pay and making $92/hour. As for the 401k question I don't put anything extra other than what the company puts in.

sailingfun

DALMD88, I would really encourage you to fund your 401k. Your giving up a huge tax free benefit. When I was a new hire we starved to put the max at the time into the 401k which was 6%. I was hired in 86. In my 4th year I made 45 an hour as a SO however we had a 60% B scale. The average DAL pilot after adding in Vacation, reroute, training pay and any GS flying is getting around 1100 hours pay a year. Some get more and some less. You don't have to work real hard to hit the 1100 number.

DAL4EVER

I know for a fact that FOs around your seniority are doing significantly better. One of my friends is junior to you (recalled in May '05) and routinely gets 120+ hour months in the summer with a couple of green slips.

As far as the 401k goes, I don't know what your situation is but not putting anything extra towards your 401k is going to cost you dearly over the years. If you put in 15% of your salary plus the 11% of the company contribution you will put in 26% of your salary every year for retirement. That, coupled with compounding interest, will make you far wealthier than the pension would have. However, failure to do that could result in you leaving a couple of million dollars on the table. Invest it my friend. Heck, with the 757 pay you're going to make, take that difference and put it in the 401k. You can clearly get by on MD88 pay so the difference won't be noticed now but will surely be noticed in 20 years.

DAL4EVER

Do you think I don't fly the line and know the attitude? It's not perfect here, it's not perfect where my wife works (corporate America - job cuts, pay cuts, benefit cuts) either. However, we are doing much better than say our counterparts at UAL, AMR, LCC, CAL. Why can I say this? Because so far, we ARENT furloughing. We have 2000 hires in the left seat of the MD88. You could be one with your seniority. You could be making an extra $40k a year doing that. However, you opted not to for QOL most likely. So you made a trade off. You took QOL over $. I have no quarrel with that as I do the same. And take the time to read ACLs posts. They are not always kool aid. He provides perhaps the most accurate information of anyone on this forum. He's usually right in his assessments. I don't care if his dad is RA. I do care about getting good info. I hate reading the DALPA forums because they've been commandeered by the same 15 old ladies who cry the world is falling and do nothing to affect change or even back up their claims.

As far as the last paragraph, what do you mean by other groups hating us now? I've re-read it a few times and have no idea what you're referring to.

NuGuy

Heyas D4E,

Give the kid a break. Not everyone wants to sit around base waiting for some random trip to be assigned, no matter how much it pays. Some people just want to bid their line, fly it and be done with it without nosing up to the trough.

But he is wrong about one thing...the DAL guys have always been hated to some degree by other pilot groups since they day they let the first RJ on ANY property back in 1993. Way to go guys....good call.

Nu

Spaceman Spliff

yes, and you heroic, noble, and classy NWA pilots have always been the darlings of the industry, haven't you? you may want to take a second look at your revisionist history.